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   Posted 11/27/2015 11:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I am working on a score where I use large time signatures on some staves only, with the other staves having a staff style (no time signature) applied.

When I want to clear a measure at the time signature change in the staves that don't show the time signature, the signature appears again, even though the filter is set to "notes and rests" only.

With the "clear selected items" feature set to "notes and rests" I can clear the measure and the time signature does not appear.
However, this being an extra step, I much prefer to select the measure and use either delete or backspace to clear the measure. Why can't this be done?

I've tried it in 2014.5, 2014 (.mus file) and 2012, so it doesn't seem to be an update to 2014.5 issue.
I attach .musx and .mus sample files if somebody would care to take a look. Thanks.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 1:09 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
>the signature appears again, even though the filter is set to "notes and rests" only.

>With the "clear selected items" feature set to "notes and rests" I can clear the measure and the time signature does not appear.

Those two statements seem to be saying the opposite. If you mean the copy filter in the first statement, that filter is used for copying, not clearing. Clearing has its own filter, as you have discovered, but Backspace clears everything, regarless of either filter setting.

I have a Finale script macro to do something similar to what you want (in my case, I wanted to avoid clearing staff styles). This is mapped to Ctrl+Alt+C:



You would want to clear "measure settings", obviously. (Edit: see below)


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   Posted 11/27/2015 1:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the script. haven't had time to try it yet, but that should do what I want.

However .... according to the manual - under "Edit Filter - What it does" it says:

You can copy or erase any element of your music without disturbing the remaining elements. This dialog box lets you specify which elements you want to copy or erase. For example, you might want to erase only the lyrics from a selected region, or you might want to copy only staff styles or time signatures from one place to another. You can specify any combination of items to copy or erase.
??


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   Posted 11/27/2015 2:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That is confusing, but in the Edit menu, Backspace is show as the shortcut to "Clear all items". Perhaps there is a separate "erase" key that I don't know about.

...Didn't find anything in the manual. The section on erasing discusses Backspace and Clear Selected Items. Perhaps the section you cite is wrong. The same contextual help is used for the copy filter and clear selected items, so perhaps that's where things got muddled. But the two settings are separate, as far as I know.

...You could also type Alt E E Enter once the "Clear" filter is set up and at least avoid the mouse.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 3:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Use of the Backspace key to clear all items in a selected range of measures does cause the large Time Signatures used in the document to reappear.  This is not what mm wants.  The only way, or at least one way to get it to work as desired is to use the "Edit->Clear Selected Items..." command, click "None", check "Notes and Rests", then click "OK".  This is too many steps.  A Finalescript similar to what you provided will accomplish the task with only a CTRL+ALT+C.  Attached is an example script.  Be sure to check "Don't show palette when calling a script from the menu" in the Finalescript Options if you don't want the Finalescript palette to open and stay on the screen.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 3:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
He's suppressing the time signature with a staff style, so that's what he needs to avoid clearing, and my script will work as shown. But now that I think about it, a better solution might be to suppress the time signature with the staff attributes rather than a staff style, in which case Backspace could be used. Depends on if all staves are shown throughout the piece, I guess.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 3:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Right. Backspace clears the Staff Style. Staff Attributes would stick.

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   Posted 11/27/2015 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

You are correct.  I didn't notice the staff style applied.  Clearing all but Staff Styles as you suggested is yet another way that will work too.  Removing all the staff styles and unchecking the staff attribute to display Time Signature on the appropriate staves is a better overall solution, but mm had already done all that work in the document.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 3:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Probably he wants to clear markings as well as notes and rests.

Staff styles are more flexible if the score is optimized. But it's not much work to remove the staff styles and check the staff attributes. You can stay in the staff attributes dialog and move through the staves.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 3:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Except, the Staff Attributes all had Time Signatures selected in the file I opened. Unchecking those would simplify the process.

Zuill

P.S.: The attached file has Staff Attributes set to not display Time Signatures on all but the 2 staves needed.

P.P.S.: My comment was about 2 posts back. Motet: the easiest way is in Global Staff Attributes (plugin).


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   Posted 11/27/2015 4:20 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Didn't know about Global Staff Atrributes. Of course, he'd have to turn some back on.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 4:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for all the work. I had considered the large time signature options before I started with what is in effect a large work consisting of 10 separate scores set up the same way. I chose the staff style option because this preserves the time signature changes in the parts, which is not the case if I choose to not show time signatures on certain staves via staff attributes. Therefore, instead of re-formatting all the scores, I'll figure out how to use the proposed scripts, or just use the "clear selected items" method (the items chosen seem to at least stick with each document and each Finale session). But it seems a bit quirky that the manual definitely states that from the Edit Filter section one can erase specific items by using Ctrl-X or the Delete key or Backspace. So ... either it's just bad manual writing/editing, or ... a bug, since the program doesn't do what it says it will.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 4:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah yes, parts.


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   Posted 11/27/2015 5:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oops. Parts. That makes the difference. How silly of me. Back to manually doing it.

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   Posted 11/27/2015 5:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Exactly ....
Installed Charles' script, assigned to Alt-C (not needing/using that previously existing Finale shortcut), works flawlessly. Great and simple solution!


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   Posted 11/27/2015 6:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would add "markings" to Charles's script. If you have hairpins, you'll want those cleared.


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   Posted 11/28/2015 2:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, I had done that already, to clear dynamics and shapes, and I added "Lyrics" as well, since I am working with them at the moment.


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