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Motet
Isorhythmic

Date Joined Dec 2002
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Posted 8/3/2016 1:34 PM (GMT -5)

Tall (big) time signatures and dashed slurs:

www.finalemusic.com/blog/new-features-next-version-finale/

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Mike Rosen
himself

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Posted 8/3/2016 2:03 PM (GMT -5)

The slurs will be nice. Tall time sigs are good for some users, but not me.

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Jolora
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Posted 8/3/2016 9:15 PM (GMT -5)

OK, this will likely brand me as a neophyte, but what is the big deal about dashed slurs? They've been doable via the smartshape pallet for as long as I can remember. They are no more complicated to add and/or manipulate than normal slurs.

What the devil am I missing???

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Daz
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Posted 8/3/2016 9:30 PM (GMT -5)

Jolora said...
OK, this will likely brand me as a neophyte, but what is the big deal about dashed slurs? They've been doable via the smartshape pallet for as long as I can remember. They are no more complicated to add and/or manipulate than normal slurs.

What the devil am I missing???

Mark Adler said...
...Another improvement that also impacts how your music looks is the addition of contoured dashed slurs:...

I think that the key word there is contoured

Previous incarnations had a flat/static appearance to them. This announcement suggests that the dashed slurs will be nicer to look at.

Cheers..

Daz. :o)

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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
Polymathist

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Posted 8/3/2016 9:31 PM (GMT -5)

Daz said...

Mark Adler said...
...Another improvement that also impacts how your music looks is the addition of contoured dashed slurs:...

I think that the key word there is contoured

Previous incarnations had a flat/static appearance to them. This announcement suggests that the dashed slurs will be nicer to look at.

Cheers..

Only fitting for a professional level notation program.

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Jolora
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Posted 8/3/2016 10:24 PM (GMT -5)

Daz said...
I think that the key word there is contoured

Previous incarnations had a flat/static appearance to them. This announcement suggests that the dashed slurs will be nicer to look at.

Cheers..

So what is meant by that? Dashed (and normal) Slurs have always had control handles you can drag around to adjust the contour of the marking. Does this imply less manual manipulation will be necessary?

And if contoured is the key word, then where are the normal, non-dashed contoured slurs?

This still eludes me, sorry.

Daz
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Posted 8/3/2016 11:21 PM (GMT -5)

Hi

By contoured I belive that it implies they appear more like the standard slurs, ie thin at the edges, and thick in the middle.
The dashed curves of previous versions are of a uniform thickness.

You can (just) make it out in image shown in the blog.

Cheers...

Daz. :o)

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Ron.
Composer

Date Joined Mar 2003
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Posted 8/3/2016 11:24 PM (GMT -5)

I'm with Jorla on this. I was very surprised to see dashed slurs presented as a new feature. They've been there since I began using Finale 2002. They can be shaped differently? Okay. I never had reason to reshape them, but they have a couple of anchor points that can be grabbed and dragged to produce really bizarre shapes if that's what one wants to do. I guess I am missing the point of all the fuss and excitement., especially when one considers all the important and serious issues waiting to be addressed.

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Zuill
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Posted 8/3/2016 11:53 PM (GMT -5)

I think by contoured they meant tapered.

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Daz
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Posted 8/4/2016 12:38 AM (GMT -5)

.....
This theory which belongs to me is as follows.
Ahem. Ahem.
This is how it goes.
Ahem.
The next thing that I am about to say is my theory.
Ahem.
Ready?
All slurs are thin at one end, much MUCH thicker in the middle, and then thin again at the far end.
That is the theory that I have and which is mine, and what it is too.

--- Anne Elk in an interview

Cheers...

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Jolora
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Posted 8/4/2016 3:24 AM (GMT -5)

OK. I do think I may understand now. There is a Smart Slur Options dialog that allows many parameters of slurs to be controlled at once, things that would control the contour of slurs and the behavior of engraver slurs. I have never used this, and suspect, on the whole, it is either a set-and-forget thing, or isn't used all that much by anyone else, either.

Has this feature never before operated on dashed slurs?? My dashed slurs appear to behave like engraver slurs, just like normal ones. But maybe they aren't now controlled by these option settings.

Is that it, MM??

Vaughan
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Date Joined Jun 1999
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Posted 8/4/2016 8:20 AM (GMT -5)

As Zuill remarked, they will [finally!] be tapered, just like normal slurs. The existing ones are quite ugly with untapered stumps at the ends. Sibelius has had tapered dashed slurs for some time and it was annoying when one needed them in Finale for certain kinds of professional engraving work (like critical editions in which one needs to be able to identify editorial additions). Some users even resorted to producing proper dashed slurs in a graphics program. I usually dealt with them by making the dashes so short that they resembled dots, making the end-stumps less offensive.

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Ere
Lievonen

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Posted 8/4/2016 8:30 AM (GMT -5)

Those who do not see the difference between the old dashed slurs and the new tapered ones probably wouldn't place any value on that difference anyway.
But for me, the new tapered dashed slurs may well be THE feature that finally prompts me to upgrade to a newer Finaler version!

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Charles Lawrence
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Posted 8/4/2016 8:50 AM (GMT -5)

Note the difference MM gives to the names of the tool icons, Slur Tool vs. Dashed Curve Tool. Give the icon more than a cursory look and you can easily distinguish the tapered end points and thicker middle of the Slur as opposed to the uniform line thickness of the Dashed Curve.

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mknoll
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Posted 8/4/2016 9:43 AM (GMT -5)

I'm with Ere on this one. I've been waiting and hoping for tapered dashed slurs since version 1.0. (Wow, that's been over 25 years now!).

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DCrocker
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Posted 8/11/2016 11:48 PM (GMT -5)

Why would anyone want a dashed slur to look like a normal slur? They have very little in common.

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Motet
Isorhythmic

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Posted 8/12/2016 1:49 AM (GMT -5)

Well, they're both slurs.

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Charles Lawrence
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Posted 8/12/2016 7:48 AM (GMT -5)

Technically speaking, Finale never has had "dashed slurs", only dashed curved lines. As discussed before in this thread, slurs are thick in the middle and taper off towards the ends giving an aesthetic look, and lines, dashed or otherwise, have a uniform line width their entire length.

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Jolora
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Posted 8/13/2016 1:14 PM (GMT -5)

Does anyone know whether current dashed lines behave like slurs on playback (legato)?

Vaughan
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Posted 8/15/2016 4:37 AM (GMT -5)

No, they don't.

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