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ms'n'pencil
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| Posted 8/27/2016 8:11 AM (GMT -5) |   | I have always created my scores (mostly small ensembles) directly in Page View, editing spacing and layout per page, as I progress through the score. However, I'm suddenly wondering whether it would make much more sense to do the entire score in Scroll View first, and deal with all Page and system formatting afterwards. This seems like a very basic consideration, and I'm embarrassed to admit that it's only occurring to me now!
Is this a standard approach, for complex scores?
I'd really welcome your feedback!
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ms'n'pencil
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| Posted 8/27/2016 9:14 AM (GMT -5) | | Thank-you, Gareth and Ron, for taking the time to share your experience - I appreciate it!
Anyone else care to respond?
For whatever it's worth: my usual way of composing is 1) via music ms + pencil + piano; 2) onto my DAW (where the score is too complex to play / too difficult for me to clearly hear, mentally); 3) once the composition is completed (and already notated as pencil roughs), onto Finale for score and parts. For current piece, there are a few undecided areas -- eg, percussion, for which I'll be consulting an ace jazz drummer -- hence the thought of leaving all page and system formatting till the very end. I'm assuming that, if editing in Scroll View, I should initially include ALL possible staves/parts (even one which I know will only, eventually, be 'visible' for a handful of bars (out of hundreds of bars), and then deal with optimization later -- is that a correct assumption?
As well, would it be possible to save the completed Scroll View version with two different names, and use one for Page and System formatting for the Score, and the other for Page formatting for the Parts? | | Back to Top | |
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ms'n'pencil
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| Posted 8/27/2016 11:01 AM (GMT -5) | | | |
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ms'n'pencil
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| Posted 8/27/2016 5:08 PM (GMT -5) | | Thanks, Eisengrim!
In page view, I often will manually adjust the width of a measure (rather than handing the task over to Finale algorithms), where necessary. I notice that when doing this in Scroll View, any subsequent note/rest entry seems to undo such manual measure width changes. Is there a dedicated technique for making such changes 'stay' until such time as one needs to manually change them again? | | Back to Top | |
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Ron.
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| Posted 8/27/2016 7:27 PM (GMT -5) | | Of course spacing in scroll view carries over to page view and does not cause any problems later. You'll find, instead, that you will have to do less tinkering in page view when formatting your document. And, yes, the spacing utility takes care of inserted clefs, etc. It is counterproductive to adjust measure widths in scroll view.
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You know, you could easily try all this for yourself. Switching between page and scroll view is a single mouse click.
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Flint
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| Posted 8/27/2016 7:29 PM (GMT -5) | | ms'n'pencil said...Ron said...
There is absolutely no need to adjust measure width in scroll view. You could have fooled me! ; - ) Among other situations, inserting a clef change, followed by a 'chord arpeggiation' sign, required manual note shifts (in all layers, both clefs, via Speedy Entry) that then demanded a wider measure width. Ron said...
If a measure appears to be crowded in scroll view, then apply note spacing. Will that note spacing automatically be carried over to Page View, and (possibly) cause problems later on, when it's time to adjust things there?
It sounds like you have automatic spacing turned off. Also, you can have articulations included in the spacing algorithm. Turn it on, and when you leave a measure, it'll respace it to fit all the elements appropriately.
There's no need to do any note adjustments until final page layout. I don't even look at a score in Page View until every note and element has been entered. It's literally the last thing I do, except for parts.
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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read
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ms'n'pencil
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| Posted 8/27/2016 7:39 PM (GMT -5) | | Thanks, Flint.
If, by 'automatic spacing', you mean >document options>music spacing, it looks like it has been on -- tho' I see that articulations had not been included (I've since included them). I'll see if that helps, when similar situations arise.
I also noticed that a chord arpeggiation symbol I used in Scroll View (that straddles both clefs in a keyboard chord) is somehow significantly longer (too long!) when viewed in Page View . . . not sure what governs that. .
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Motet
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ms'n'pencil
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HaraldS
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| Posted 8/28/2016 4:15 AM (GMT -5) | | When entering the musical content, I prefer scroll view: its linear timeline reflects better how the audience would experience the music. Same for me: as a composer/arranger, the musical idea itself is entirely linear. Additionally, I have Finale display the score in concert pitch.
When the work is entered, I switch to page view and transposed view. Then I do everything which has to do with the visual appearance of the music.
Needless to say, some mistakes and errors only jump to the eye in this second stage. Sometimes, this needs going back to scroll view. Please consider using the hotkey CTRL-E for fast switching between the views. I can recommend the above working order.
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