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  		   Posted 9/22/2016 9:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Does a fermata go above or below a hairpin? I've found nothing on this in my sources.

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  		   Posted 9/22/2016 9:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'd always place that under the hairpin, personally.
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  		   Posted 9/22/2016 11:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think that only small articulations like an accent, tenuto, or staccato should come between a note-head and a fermata. Never hairpins, dynamics, slurs etc.

But why couldn't the hairpin be below the note?

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  		   Posted 9/22/2016 11:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I 'm looking for similar cases of visual logic. First of all, it has to look good. Specially if there are no specific rules.

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  		   Posted 9/23/2016 12:13 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The only example I found in Gould has the fermata above the staff and the hairpin below.

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  		   Posted 9/23/2016 1:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
the only times a hairpin would go above a staff is either in vocal music, or in a score where two instruments share a staff and they have different dynamics.

With the former, the fermata goes nearer the note, the hairpin further.
And with the latter, it would be the exact same thing.

A more or less safe rule of thumb when dealing with "long" musical expressions (tuplet brackets, hairpins, slurs), the longer item goes the highest/furthest from the note.

An aside:
And technically, this would apply as well when adding articulations to a note, since a fermata "lengthens" the duration of the note (ie: the "longest" element in that case) it goes furthest from the note in the hierarchy of articulations.

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  		   Posted 9/23/2016 9:03 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That was dumb of me not to specify that this is a choral example. So you're all suggesting that in this example, the fermata should appear above the note first, and then the hairpin above the fermata, right? Thanks, all.

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