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Leo from DK
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   Posted 10/8/2016 8:24 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Can anyone help me with the combination of the following statement in repeat.

In elderly Danish music you can find the following repeat!

File: DS al osv. jpg.

It meens DS -then jump from (mill) to (mill) and then in Coda.
(The mill being the round part with the cross in it! I don't know the English sentese!)

I could change the selection, but since i'm only cleaning a few of the parts it has to corespond with the other parts!

Thank you in adv.

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   Posted 10/8/2016 9:08 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The circle with the cross is the Coda sign, so the indication in your image looks a bit redundant and unclear.
Can you please explain what the form should be ? 3 occurrences of the coda in that instruction make the text difficult to understand.
Is there a Coda2 ? A different symbol (double coda sign) may be a solution, unless you have to respect the text 100 %.


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   Posted 10/8/2016 11:08 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
G'dag, Leo. Would a 1st/2nd repeat ending and a D.S. al Coda work?


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   Posted 10/8/2016 12:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What the instructions sounds like to me is
"Go back to measure X, play to measure Y, and then jump to the coda.

Usually that's an instruction a (pop?) composer pressed for time would give on a handwritten score and expect an arranger to write out in full.


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   Posted 10/11/2016 9:44 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
taken from the back.
I doubt that composers from aprox 100 years past had anything to do with pop -Derrek.

It's simpla a way they have used to mark a go from one point different than any repeats in the piece to any point just as different to the repeats as the first and then going to Coda.
I bid messy explanation -- A litle easyer could be "Cut out the bars between the mills, play them as thye are written and go to Coda".

In Dk the dollar sign are used often as a Segno, the cirkle/cross as signs for "From A to B"

Are you confused - so am I but I've learnt to live, and play it:-)

To be very clear. I want to go from start to the DS or DC then from respective to the first "Mill" or A, then play from there to the second "Mill" or B and then directly in Coda.
The mills are not mandatory if you have a solution, but no letters or cifres can be used as they usually refer to a rehersal point.
Repeats can not be used either, as there rarely are any repeats attached to the full A->B piece, Perhaps inside it, but it will not be played.

History tells us in scandinavia that the Mills have been used for "spillemandsmusik" e.g. very small bands from the rural areas up until the beginning og 1920th and in larger dancing bands from beginning of the 20th century and up until 1980 because most marches, polkamarches and polkas in scandinavian goes in much the same way. Two foreplays, a middle piece ending in a trio, the the theme in the "Mills to Mills" piece ending in a coda / or just ending with the trio. A large and varied piece to play with little score to write :-)


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   Posted 10/11/2016 12:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Is this what you are trying to do (attached)?


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   Posted 10/12/2016 2:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
More like this (se the insert in the repeat sign)

If I had a graphical presenttion of the two millsit would solve the problem:-)


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   Posted 10/12/2016 4:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Leo,

If I understand you correctly, this is a layout issue, not a playback issue.

Take a look at the attached Finale document.

This solution does not play back the repeats, but you get the desired layout.

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   Posted 10/12/2016 6:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Leo from DK said...
More like this (see the insert in the repeat sign)

I don't see much difference other than the symbols used and where you put them.

I tried playing yours back, but it just played straight through without any repeats, which I don't think is your intent. I expect your playback goals were the same as my example except for the measure chosen.


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   Posted 10/18/2016 1:42 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You are quite right -but it is exatly the symbols within the DS frase that are the issue. They dont remain there and they give the right directions as how to play it. It's more like having a nested DS inside a DC/DS frase.

The issue is keeping the two "mills" inside the DC/DS frace -if that is possible. The actual repeat are secundary. Nice to have but not essential!

But many thanks for your effort


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   Posted 10/18/2016 1:53 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In other words, is all that is needed is to have the whole thing in one Repeat Text item?

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   Posted 10/18/2016 2:05 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes!


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   Posted 10/18/2016 2:06 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Okay.

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