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Ronwass
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   Posted 11/17/2016 3:04 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So after all these years, I find that I am going to need a DAW for some midi editing. I am going to do a solo piano recording project, and it just so happens that there is an amazing Yamaha grand piano near me with the latest and gretest iteration of their diskclavier system. (in the sleepy suburbs believe it or not)

I went to a demonstration that Frederic Chiu did with his new Debussy movie/CD and it was pretty amazing. If a top concert pianist like Frederic is impressed as to how it reproduces his playing, then it is good enough for me.

Going to record my stuff there, but need to edit the midi files.

Will Logic pro X be enough? Or overkill? Any other recommendations?

My experience with audio software is pretty minimal. Basically just encompasses some test editing and other fooling around in Audacity.

Thanks in advance.


Ron Wasserman
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   Posted 11/17/2016 3:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You might check out the basically freeware trial of REAPER (http://www.reaper.fm/) first before investing too much into Logic or Sonar.


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   Posted 11/17/2016 8:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
FWIW, I think Logic is a bargain. For $200 you get an audio production professional tool that can do amazing things, including detailed midi editing. It'll take a while though to get used to it. I'm very satisfied with it.


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   Posted 11/17/2016 8:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you're doing smaller projects using MIDI and possibly some VSTi only, a full featured DAW might be overkill.

Something like Cubase Artist would give you an impressive array of 'Compositional Tools' and MIDI based features. The MIDI editors are really good in Cubase, as is 'legacy' support for external devices (like digital pianos and workstations) throughout the ages.

If you anticipate wanting top of the line audio tracking, and perceive a need for high quality audio plugins (such as reverbs and compressors) then it might be worth trying out the flagship DAWs.

Reaper is worth looking at if you want superb audio power, a good batch of audio processing tools, and basic MIDI editing at great price.

Things like MixCraft are worth looking at if you want an inexpensive, first DAW to simply learn, 'explore' your creative urges, and get good results for a low cash layout.

Really, it's best to grab demos where you can and see for yourself. The one drawback for Logic to me is that it's Mac only....otherwise it's really nice software. Personally I prefer Cubase for thing like step entry and MIDI editing, but if you're mostly going to be recording 'live playing performances', the creative aspects of Cubase might not get much use from you anyway. So...try them out and form your own opinion. All of the flagship DAWs out there are QUITE GOOD for the money these days.

Post Edited (Credo) : 11/17/2016 7:08:39 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 11/17/2016 10:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I own numerous DAWs and had been working with exactly what you want since 1998.

I think the best is to go with Logic Pro X. People say it is overkill, but with it you will always have a safe place to do things you you are unaware now you would do in the future.

LPX is (IMHO) much less GUI effective as the previous LP 9 or 8. But it is my taste. If you have large screens it might feel great.
What is good with LPX is - the score editor. It is simple but effective, prior exporting as Music XML. There are numerous hidden features in LPX.

Another DAW with the "score view" is Digital Performer 9, wich is extremely excellent software, but for starters it is really overkil. DP9 is like Finale while LPX is like Sibelius (in feeling of start and run).
With LPX however you will get a tremendous library, understanding of things are simple and clear. You can read the manual and fix it quickly. After year of use of DP9 I still cannot figure out some things, but I do intuitively with LPX.

Pro Tools is also very advanced, if you need score you will need to run a "Sibelius" like thing; and it is very expensive.
Cubase is good, but having these above I don't see the point of having it. There is no score editor, at least not in the versions I had.
Other DAWs have very limited tools as a complete packages (Reaper, Ableton), for the price you get. really, I find MIDI editing always good when I see "a kind of score" in real time. Some people even use LPX as the score editors, perhaps it is OK with simple notation.

I personally use Albeton Live for improvisation, Logic Pro X for clean up and furhter editing (beat mapping, time signatures etc etc), and Finale for the final scoring.
(I use all of them for other purposes as well...).

So, go with Logic Pro X and you will not regret.




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   Posted 11/18/2016 11:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
THanks for the thoughtful responses. I realize I probably should have put this in the Mac forum.


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   Posted 11/18/2016 1:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OCTO. said...
Cubase is good, but having these above I don't see the point of having it. There is no score editor, at least not in the versions I had.


All current versions of Cubase have score and part editors/printers. They are more designed for creating and editing than for high end 'layout and engraving'. While printed output is quite good, you don't get tons of control in how it prints out in Artist and Elements (Pro gives a bit more control, but it's nothing as robust as Finale or Sibelius of course).

The types of MIDI composition and editing tools included in Cubase Artist, Pro, and Nuendo may or may not be of interest to everyone, but they are pretty exclusive to Cubase. I.E. Chord tracks. Full VST3 support (individual note expression allows optional keeping of CC and other types of data in VST3 containers and attached to specific notes instead of on controller or automation lanes), MIDI Arp engines, "user definable" MIDI instrument profiles and DAW remote control maps, etc. In my opinion, MIDI editing and legacy device support are the two areas of modern DAWs where Cubase still leads the pack.

Would it be useful enough for you to justify the price? I've no idea!
This is why I say it's best to try them out for yourself.

Post Edited (Credo) : 11/18/2016 1:06:20 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 11/20/2016 11:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PS: Does anyone have any experience with the Diskclavier?


Ron Wasserman
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   Posted 11/20/2016 3:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ron,

If you own an iPad....

I think you might be interested in some of the new generation of 'mobile apps' that could be used with Diskclavier systems.

There are a group of apps listed on a Yamaha Site
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/apps/#page=1&mode=paging

You might also find some of the inexpensive Tablet targeted DAWs of interest:
iOS
Cubasis 2
AppCrawlr Listings of DAWs for iOS
Andriod
AppCrawlr Listings of DAWs for Andriod
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