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AnotherHell
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Posted 1/31/2004 8:38 PM (GMT -5)

I tried finding something on this in the docs but cant seem to find any info. I just want to be able to set the volume for each individual staff, as it is right now, some of my instruments are drowing out the other ones

oh yah and anotherhing i cant figure out is how do i add a shape from one page to the next, say a cresendo, i want to start it on one page, and end it on the next

Post Edited (AnotherHell) : 2/1/2004 12:50:12 AM GMT

Zuill
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Posted 1/31/2004 8:59 PM (GMT -5)

If you are using expressions, they are designed to affect the volume. If the forte, for example, causes one staff to be louder than another, you may want to create a forte with a lower playback volume and only apply it to that staff. That is one way. Try that an if it doesn't work, we'll go to step 2.

Zuill

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Finale 2004a, Win 2000 or XP

Zuill
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Posted 1/31/2004 9:01 PM (GMT -5)

About the shape, the easiest way is to do it in scroll view, then switch back to page view.

Zuill

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Finale 2004a, Win 2000 or XP

Bill Wadlinger
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Posted 1/31/2004 9:23 PM (GMT -5)

Actually, Zuill, I was contemplating a similar question this afternoon... however, I was interested in playback for one staff only out of three in the system, and I didn't see a way to tell the other two staves to shut up. Seems that would be a logical and intuitively obvious thing to put in playback options.

Bill

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Zuill
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Posted 1/31/2004 9:29 PM (GMT -5)

Meanwhile, there is a better way that I overlooked. Instead of creating a duplicate set of expressions, create a hidden expression for each staff with playback option of controller, volume. Adjust it (MIDI 0-127) to taste. That affects the entire staff (if you apply it at the first measure) throughout the piece. The volume controller then lowers all of the volumes for that staff proportionately. For now, that is the best solution short of a pop-up mixer, which I believe is probably the best suggestion I've heard, but doesn't exist in Finale.

Zuill

P.S.: I forgot to mention that you need to turn human playback off to get this result. Well, you can't have everything!

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Post Edited (Zuill) : 2/1/2004 1:44:41 AM GMT

AnotherHell
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Posted 1/31/2004 10:10 PM (GMT -5)

thanks for the info, and thats too bad that you cant adjust it with human playback on

I used to use Mozart the music processor, and like alot of the features i find them more simple to use in mozart for the same results, like this for example, in mozart you just pop up this window that has a volume control slider ofr each midi channel, i was hoping there was somehting like that in finale

oh well cant have everything

Roger Fox
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Posted 2/1/2004 12:49 AM (GMT -5)

Bill Wadlinger said...

Select Instrument List under Window menu. You can easily mute or solo individual staves or combination of staves for playback.

Roger

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Zuill
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Posted 2/1/2004 2:32 AM (GMT -5)

That is true to mute for playback. However, I believe in making a wav from the file, that setting is overridden. I know that is not the issue here, but there are those little oddities that make Finale a constant adventure.

Zuill

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Finale 2004a, Win 2000 or XP

JohnnyCav
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Posted 2/1/2004 3:24 AM (GMT -5)

Another option is to use the MIDI tool to alter all the velocities on each staff to some% of usual. Byusing values >100% for louder and <100% for softer, you can adjust the balance till you like it.

F2002b on WinXP

Slandrom
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Posted 2/1/2004 4:06 AM (GMT -5)

Bill Wadlinger said...
however, I was interested in playback for one staff only out of three in the system, and I didn't see a way to tell the other two staves to shut up. Seems that would be a logical and intuitively obvious thing to put in playback options.

For temporary playback of only one staff; hold down Shift + Space and click in the staff with the mouse.

Björn

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Ron.
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Posted 2/1/2004 9:28 AM (GMT -5)

Is it possible, for the original question, that AnotherHell just needs to make sure he/she is selecting "Apply to this staff only" when applying dynamics? Maybe I'm overlooking something here.
Just asking....

Ron
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Zuill
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Posted 2/1/2004 10:19 AM (GMT -5)

He/she may still want all the staves to get louder and softer throughout the score, but just wants some staves to do it at a lower overall volume.

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Finale 2004a, Win 2000 or XP

AnotherHell
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Posted 2/1/2004 8:44 PM (GMT -5)

yah i relize how to use dynamics, but its just the last program i used i was able to use dynamics as well as set the over all volume

Bill Wadlinger
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Posted 2/1/2004 9:46 PM (GMT -5)

Björn, that was a great idea. Thanks.

Bill

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DaleMc
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Posted 2/8/2004 6:40 PM (GMT -5)

Zuill said...
Meanwhile, there is a better way that I overlooked. Instead of creating a duplicate set of expressions, create a hidden expression for each staff with playback option of controller, volume. Adjust it (MIDI 0-127) to taste. That affects the entire staff (if you apply it at the first measure) throughout the piece. The volume controller then lowers all of the volumes for that staff proportionately. For now, that is the best solution short of a pop-up mixer, which I believe is probably the best suggestion I've heard, but doesn't exist in Finale.

Zuill

P.S.: I forgot to mention that you need to turn human playback off to get this result. Well, you can't have everything!

Zuill, I'd like to try your idea about using a hidden expression for each staff. Can you point me in the right direction, please?

Mike Dallwitz
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Posted 2/9/2004 8:50 AM (GMT -5)

'Select Instrument List under Window menu. You can easily mute or solo individual staves or combination of staves for playback.'

'That is true to mute for playback. However, I believe in making a wav from the file, that setting is overridden.'

You can omit staves from MIDI output by setting the instruments to 'None' in the 'Instrument List' dialog. It would presumably work for WAV output too.

Mike Dallwitz

michelp
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Posted 2/9/2004 9:59 AM (GMT -5)

Forza has (for Windows only) a plug-in called "Easy Midi" that has a slider for each staff. Great feature.
Check the image.

www.jwmusic.nu/forza

Michel
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Dick Brodfuehrer
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Posted 2/9/2004 10:00 AM (GMT -5)

Mike Dallwitz said...

You can omit staves from MIDI output by setting the instruments to 'None' in the 'Instrument List' dialog. It would presumably work for WAV output too.

Yes, because the program first creates a MIDI file which is then used as the basis for the .WAV file. A staff with no instrument assignment will never get to the MIDI file.

(Currently using: Finale 2003a, Windows 98-2e, TGTools 2.25, and The Glenlivet when I can afford it.)

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Zuill
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Posted 2/9/2004 3:25 PM (GMT -5)

Creating staff volume controls:

1. In the expression tool click above the first note of the first measure of the chosen staff. (or wherever you want to apply the control)
2. Click create
3. Enter a name, say Flute Volume (choose the name of the instrument for each of the staves you want)
4. Highlight the text and inder font style choose hidden
5. Click the playback tab
6. In the first window choose controller
7. In the third window over choose volume (#7)
8. In the set to value window choose the amount you want (0-127). You'll have to experiment and change this until you find the optimal amount.
9. Click OK, then select. Choose note attached. Select to apply to current layer
10. Click OK

It should work. It may affect other staves of the same MIDI channel, so try to choose a different channel for each staff. If you have 2 flute staves, you can create a Flute 1 and Flute 2 in the instrument list, and still have each in the same channel, in order to get independent operation of the expressions for volume.

Hope this helps

Zuill

"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Finale 2004a, Win 2000 or XP

Talan
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Date Joined Feb 2004
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Posted 2/9/2004 6:51 PM (GMT -5)

AnotherHell - If you already tried working with expressions and are still not satisfied, then try this:

Left click the mouse to the left of one of the staves in which you want to adjust the volume.
Then go to TOOLS - ADVANCED TOOLS - MIDI
Then go to MIDI TOOLS - (SET TO) or (PERCENT ALTER)

Remember: Max volume is 127 - we cannot exceed that
Minimum volume is "0"

I hope this helps.

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