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JustinP
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   Posted 7/7/2011 11:32 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all,

There have been a few threads lately asking about the Finale 2012 release date.

In today's press release, we announced that Finale 2012 will be released sometime this fall. This is later than we normally release to allow for adequate development time for some great application infrastructure changes, which will result in some awesome new features this year.

We're pretty excited about it, and I can't wait to share more as we roll into fall!

I have linked to the press release below:

www.makemusic.com/press_releases.aspx?pid=513

Thanks!

-Justin


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   Posted 7/7/2011 12:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Could you possibly explain "technological infrastructure" in notation terms ? Unicode maybe ? Finale will only be available as an iPad app from now on ?

Fritz

No, it has to be Finale is going into the cloud - from now on you'll never see your files again. Or for a really way out idea, a universal Finale file format - from now on any version of Finale will read any file ever created with Finale. Nah, scrub that one, some things are just too far fetched.


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   Posted 7/7/2011 12:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll elaborate more this fall! Sorry!


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   Posted 7/7/2011 4:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the update. It sounds as though perhaps MM's answer to Sibelius' magnetic layout is taking a bit longer than originally thought.


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   Posted 7/7/2011 6:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Whooop! This is probably EXCELLENT news - at last a break for the shackles of a 12-month release cycle, which all of us who actually write software know gives no time for serious development and innovation ...

I look forwards to Finale 2012 some time near - er, how shall I put this? - 2012!!!

Brian


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   Posted 7/8/2011 9:37 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Justin Phillips said...
Hi all,

There have been a few threads lately asking about the Finale 2012 release date.

In today's press release, we announced that Finale 2012 will be released sometime this fall. This is later than we normally release to allow for adequate development time for some great application infrastructure changes, which will result in some awesome new features this year.

We're pretty excited about it, and I can't wait to share more as we roll into fall!

I have linked to the press release below:

www.makemusic.com/press_releases.aspx?pid=513

Thanks!

-Justin

Kind of a back-ended press release, apologizing for the financial effect the late release will have to shareholders, rather than just touting the later-than-expected release of Finale being a great thing.


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   Posted 7/8/2011 11:57 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The press release is aimed at shareholders, not users. Shareholders don't care about anything other than expected profits, or excuses for lack thereof.


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   Posted 7/8/2011 1:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
From what I've read and seen in some company videos, the product cycle development at Wolfram Research, particularly for their Mathematica program is always two versions ahead! No predetermined deadlines are set by date, but by complete determination of program design goals specific to each version, as well as thorough quality assurance -- all of which seems to me to almost ensure bug-free performance and reliability when released, as well as to ensure that only significant upgrades are released, and thus, in my not so humble opinion, should be a model for all software developers to follow.


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   Posted 7/8/2011 2:02 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Justin,

I often use Pro Tools for editing my vocal parts. I noticed something interesting when I up graded to Pro Tools 9. It takes control of my laptops power options and changes it from the balanced mode (for most work) to high performance mode. When I close Pro Tools, it switches back to balanced. I do see a performance boose when this happens. Do you think we can add this as an option for future Finale releases? It might end latency issues.

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   Posted 7/8/2011 2:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Art,

I can certainly see that as valuable option, I'll add it as a feature request.


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   Posted 7/8/2011 4:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Outstanding! Thanks.

By the way I don't use Pro Tools as much as I use Finale! I am an "Avid" Finale supporter! lol

Definintion of avid: keenly, enthusiastically, passionately, eagerly, devotedly, ardently, fervently...ya know what I mean!

Have a great weekend!

Art G. smilewinkgrin


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   Posted 7/9/2011 2:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Press release said...
We expect that the delay of Finale will negatively impact our second quarter and annual revenue for fiscal 2011, when compared to fiscal 2010


Since this is a fate worse than death to a CEO, I suspect the delay was not expected, and so I find it fairly worrisome. Fingers crossed, though.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 10:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No worries Motet. When you're a public company and shareholders expect profit boosts and your normal times, it's good behavior to inform them that there will be a change.


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   Posted 7/10/2011 1:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK, thanks. I don't know when the press release appeared, but I didn't see the stock take a hit in the past week.


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   Posted 7/13/2011 4:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Interesting change in business model from the old days when a company would be sure to notify its customers of any change before worrying about investors. It follows the horrible business model that has shareholders being much more important than product or customer satisfaction. Whatever happened to a company surviving because it produced excellent products rather than existing because it can fool a bunch of investors into buying shares?
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   Posted 7/13/2011 5:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David H. Bailey said...
Interesting change in business model from the old days when a company would be sure to notify its customers of any change before worrying about investors.

Ah the old days. You could leave your door open and never get burgled. The kids could play safely on the streets, and you could get your dinner, the cinema and your bus fare home all for a shilling.

Stockholders have been the main concern of companies ever since stock was first traded in the 17th century. Nothing has changed.


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   Posted 7/13/2011 6:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David H. Bailey said...
Whatever happened to a company surviving because it produced excellent products rather than existing because it can fool a bunch of investors into buying shares?


It went under for lack of capital funds.

You need money to make a product. You need investors to make money. You need money to make money. Money, money, money.

Even companies that make "excellent products" require money to make those excellent products.

Investors don't look at the quality of a product (and if you're buying stock because you "like the product"... don't. That's not a good investment habit), they look at the quality of a stock.


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   Posted 7/13/2011 6:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sadly, Michel is right - in most cirumstances ...

... happily there are some notable exceptions.

Brian


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   Posted 7/13/2011 2:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I agree with Saffron.  "Let's go to McDonalds"...Once in a while it can't kill ya.  And I love their Stock!

 

AG    smilewinkgrin


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   Posted 7/13/2011 4:24 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
akgreenberg said...
I agree with Saffron. "Let's go to McDonalds"...Once in a while it can't kill ya. And I love their Stock!

AG smilewinkgrin

Curiously, it wasn't the Big M I was thinking about! lol

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   Posted 7/17/2011 10:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The more I think about this announcement, the more I think there may be something genuinely significant happening. Here is an excerpt from the sharenolders' meeting in early March :

"Charlie Pine: Speaking of the development efforts, are you going to be able to get your products out on time this year?

Jeff Koch: That is the plan. I mean that with...

Charlie Pine: Well, that was the plan last year also.

Jeff Koch: Yes. And that is why I said, I mean that with an underline, that’s the plan, period."

Jeff Koch being the then interim CEO of MakeMusic.

Now we have a new CEO (Karen van Lith) turning around, and on top of that telling the shareholders that they will have to take a hit on revenue. freaked A CEO can get away with that once in their career (at the beginning when you can blame it on your predecesor) but it doesn't happen lightly, and there had better be something impressive to show for it - and I'm sure she knows it.

Fritz


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   Posted 7/17/2011 10:55 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Following on from that, the press release about the new CEO appointment also hints that there may be significant changes coming for MM products (not stated, but implied by the new CEO's background, I think) :

"Karen has an exceptional record of transforming companies through conversions to new technology platforms and growth acceleration. We believe MakeMusic is poised to enter into its next phase of growth as we invest in new products and reposition our current products to take advantage of newer technologies. "

"For the past three years van Lith has provided interim CEO leadership to companies in start-up, high growth and crisis phases, in addition to running her own internet-marketing services company."

We may be in for some interesting times.

Fritz


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   Posted 7/17/2011 2:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Fritz Meissner said...


"For the past three years van Lith has provided interim CEO leadership to companies in start-up, high growth and crisis phases, in addition to running her own internet-marketing services company."


Fritz


Since Finale is neither a start-up, nor a high-growth company, this is the phrase that bothers me. Do they know something that we don't?



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   Posted 7/17/2011 2:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think they have just realised something that's been stated on the forum for several years now. Any company that is not getting new customers will carry on pretty much as before for a few years relying on their established users for subscription income; the downward trend starts slowly, but it will gradually steepen until they reach a point where it becomes precipitous, by which time it is usually too late to do anything about the situation. The early warning sign is what a number of people have been saying on the forum, that when they look at new users (students, for instance), Sibelius is overwhelmingly the favourite. Given that information, they must know that they are on the road to crisis.

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   Posted 7/18/2011 11:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello, Justin:

We hope:

1.A real 64-bit Version of Finale 2012 to support more RAM in a 64-bit OS.
(There have been 64-bit version Logic, GPO, Cubase, Nuendo and so on for sereral years.)

2.Makemusic can solve the problem of MIDI CC#11. In Finale 2011, users can't change dynamics when using MIDI CC#11 with East West Libraries so that users think the crescendo don't work at all when using EW. Therefore, we hope we can draw dynamic hairpins as we like and hear them work better in Finale 2012. The problemn has existed for many years since Finale 2007.

Thank you a lot.


 
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