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   Posted 2/24/2013 3:28 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello,
I'll be grateful if someone could explain mme how to make those complicated tuplets (at 4/4), each has a value of 1 quarter note (please see pic, sorry for my painting abilities...).
I use Fnale 2012c.r13 under Win7.
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   Posted 2/24/2013 3:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Use Tuplet tool. Please check the manual.


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   Posted 2/24/2013 4:02 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not complicated! How to enter these is a bit dependent on your method of entering notes. I'm a Speedy Entry user, so I'd start the second tuplet by entering the first note as a sixteenth sextuplet, changing it to an eighth and then entering the rest of the notes, changing the beaming as necessary. The first example is a 'nested tuplet' and very easy to enter as it doesn't matter which you create first. It's all described in the manual.


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   Posted 2/24/2013 11:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks a lot Vaughan.
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   Posted 2/25/2013 12:07 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi ,
as you see, I followed the manual and succeeded in entering the tuplets, but problem is as follows:
I'd like to have these tuplets as only one quarter (see picture), but get them only as a half, is there a way to change it?
BTW- I also use the "Speedy Entry" method
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   Posted 2/25/2013 12:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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   Posted 2/25/2013 1:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That is not a nested tuplet. Somehow, you got part way there, but not all the way.

Zuill

P.S.: This quick demo shows what you wanted from your first post. The 16th tuplets have the 3 hidden, as your demo did, but I think they should show, personally.


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   Posted 2/25/2013 11:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How does one do that in Speedy, Zuill? I guess I've never had occasion to enter one where the first note is nested. (If the nesting comes later, I know how to do that.)


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   Posted 2/25/2013 12:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
One way: create an eighth triplet then place the caret on the first eighth, press opt-3, and then the number 3. This changes the first note into a 16th triplet which is nested in the triplet of three eighths. Then, using shift, insert the following two notes of the first nested triplet. Repeat the process for the last nested triplet (except that you don't need to insert the notes using shift unless you've already entered notes following the nested triplets).


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   Posted 2/25/2013 1:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Is that Speedy or Simple?


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   Posted 2/25/2013 2:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In fairness to the OP, these are not trivial tuplets to make, in my opinion.  Granted, I'm no expert, but I struggled with the first one for quite a while until I came upon the correct solution.
 
Motet,
I was able to make the first one four ways, two with Simple and two with Speedy.  The two ways were:
 
1) form outside tuplet 1st (qty 1), then inside tuplets 2nd (qty 2).
2) form inside tuplets 1st (qty 2), then outside tuplet 2nd (qty 1).
 
I found the documentation (manual) essentially useless in this regard, except to say that it can be done, and simply telling the OP to refer to the manual to form these "not complicated" tuplets is also useless help.  Mike Rosen's tip site also does not address nested tuplets.
 
I will provide detailed steps as to how I formed the tuplets when I have more time.  Right now, I have to leave my computer and go to orchestra rehearsal.  Until then.


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   Posted 2/25/2013 3:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In Speedy:

1. Create the 8th triplet.
2. With cursor on the first note, ctrl-3.
3. Change the first note to 16th.
4. Insert the next 2 16ths.
5. With cursor on last 8th, press ctrl-3.
6. Change to 16th note.
7. Enter last 2 16ths.

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   Posted 2/25/2013 3:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, Zuill. My mistake was in trying to do the notes in order, which is possible if the nesting doesn't occur at the beginning. For example, if the first triplet eighth is an eighth, but the second itself is a triplet of 16ths, you can press ^3 again at that point and enter the 16ths, and then be back to the original triplet for the last eighth.

What I didn't try for the OP's case was ^1 to set up the eighths and then ^3 before entering the 16ths. I can conceive of that working, perhaps, but am away from my Finale machine.


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   Posted 2/25/2013 11:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
^1 ^3 doesn't work. I was able to do it in Speedy following Zuill's method. "Change" vs. "insert" involves pressing the Insert key, so it's all pretty arcane. Maybe this is a case where the tuplet tool will help?


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   Posted 2/25/2013 11:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm not sure what the confusion is. After reading the complete thread, I see Vaughan already explained what I do. It is pretty simple and straightforward. Is this not covered in the documentation? Maybe I should look.

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   Posted 2/25/2013 11:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm not sure what Vaughan means by "using shift." With the cursor in "replace" mode, I changed the first note to a 16th. But if I press the press Shift-3 twice, I get the following mess.
 
 
Perhaps he's talking about Simple entry.
 
If I instead press the Insert key to go into insert mode, then it works. But I maintain it's arcane.


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   Posted 2/25/2013 11:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That must be a Mac thing. For Windows, press the Insert key.

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   Posted 2/25/2013 11:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah. An important distinction for the O.P.

One must also point out then that one needs to be in Replace mode to begin with, as denoted by a subtle change in the cursor.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 3:58 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks a lot for all the participants and the solution.
I didn't think that my question will cause such a long discussion; that's what happens when one tries to "translate" jazz improvisation into classical notation...
It seems that this should be improved by the documentation of Finale.
Greets,
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   Posted 2/26/2013 5:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah yes, sorry. Finale Mac does indeed use the shift key to insert notes/rests. Shift is used by itself for 'quick insertion' and Shift-I is used to go into insert mode which is denoted by the subtle cursor change. One only needs to be in insert mode when making the 2nd and 3rd notes of the first nested triplet.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 5:14 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
P.S. I'd already written in my first post that I'm a Speedy Entry user. I've never done this in Simple although I'm sure it's just as straightforward. I really don't see what's arcane about the process.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 11:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since you're a power user, perhaps you're not seeing it via a novice's eyes. Having to enter a dummy first note, then go back and change its duration and the switch modes to insert new notes is a pretty non-intuitive work-around. If one could nest Ctrl-3's at the beginning, it would be easier:

Ctrl-3 Ctrl-3 16th 16th 16th 8th Ctrl-3 16th 16th 16th

Like I said such nesting does work if it's not at the beginning. If the first note of the bigger triplet was instead a simple eighth and the other two were 16th triplets, you can do

Ctrl-3 8th Ctrl-3 16th 16th 16th Ctrl-3 16th 16th 16th

Maybe they didn't allow this at the beginning because they were afraid someone would accidently hit Ctrl-3 twice for an ordinary triplet.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 12:20 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Point well-taken, Motet.


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As I said I would do, please find included four ways that I was able to form the first complex nested tuplet given by the OP, two using Simple entry, and two using Speedy entry.
These are not the only ways to form the tuplet.  Others have posted their methods.  Later, I will post methods I found to form the second example of a complex tupet posted by the OP.

This post is long, and for that my apologies, but I tried to be detailed and complete, so that a novice could follow the steps.  I could find nothing in the documentation that explained any steps necessary to form complex nested tuplets, except to say that it could be done.  I don't consider these methods straightforward.  They only become so with familiarity.  Being a physicist/mathematician by occupation (retired), I would find the derivation of Maxwell's equations of classical electrodynamics to be "straightforward" after completing a course of study, but I dare say the very looks of them as partial differential equations would be disconcerting and incomprehensible to the uninitiated, as they were to me when I first saw them.  So, for what it is worth, here are my methods.  I hope they are clear and free of errors.  If you find any errors, please point them out.

Simple Entry - Outside tuplet 1st, then inside tuplets

1) Choose the 8th note
2) Click in an 8th note in an empty 4/4 measure
3) Press ALT-9.  Make sure 3 eighths in the space of 2 eighths is chosen.  OK.
4) Overstrike resulting 2 eighth rests with 2 eighth notes.  This completes the outside tuplet.
5) Select the Tuplet Tool (not to be confused with the tuplet modifier in the Simple Entry palette).  This will fill out the measure with rests, provided Simple Options are set to do so.
6) Double click the 1st eighth note to bring up the "Tuplet Definition" dialog box.  Make sure 3 16ths in the space of 1 eighth is chosen. OK.
7) Choose the Simple Entry Tool again.  CTRL-click the first eighth note to select it.  Press ALT-3 (numpad) to change it to a 16th note.
8) Choose the 16th note (with no modifiers).  Zoom in to at least 200% to make the next steps easier
9) Carefully position the Simple Entry 16th note cursor to between the just changed 16th note and the next 8th note to its right.  Click in the 2nd of the 16th notes of the first inside tuplet.
10) Carefully position the cursor to between the just entered 16th note and the eighth note to its right.  Click in the 3rd of the 16th notes of the first inside tuplet.
11) Repeat steps 5 thru 12 except in step 6) choose the last of the eighth notes of the outside tuplet to double click on, and in steps 11) and 12) position the cursor to between the 16th note and the quarter note rest to its right.
12) And there you have it.  You may want to remove the number "3" on the two 16th note inside tuplets.  This is done with the Tuplet Tool by clicking on the 1st of the 16th notes in the group, then right clicking on the tuplet handle and choosing to "Edit Tuplet Definition...".  When you click on the 1st 16th note, observe that two handles appear, because that note is the 1st note in 2 tuplets, the 16th note inside tuplet as well as the 8th note outside tuplet.  Make sure to right click on the left most handle, the one attached to the 16th note tuplet.  In the "Appearance" Grouping, choose "Nothing" in the dropdown for "Number".  Repeat for the 2nd 16th note tuplet.

Simple Entry - Inside tuplets 1st, then outside tuplet.  (This is actually easier than the other way.)

1) Choose the 16th note
2) Click in a 16th note in an empty 4/4 measure
3) Press ALT-9.  Make sure 3 16ths in the space of 1 eighth is choosen.  OK.
4) Overstrike the resulting 2 16th note rests with 16th notes.  This completes one inside tuplet.
5) Choose the 8th note.
6) Click in an 8th note.
7) Repeat steps 1) thru 4).  This will complete the 2nd inside tuplet.
8) Select the Tuplet Tool.  This will fill out the measure with rests provided the Simple Options are set to do so.
9) Double click on 1st 16th note in the first tuplet to bring up the "Tuplet Definition" dialog box.  Make sure 3 8ths in the space of 2 eights is chosen.  OK.
10) And there you have it.  As before, you may want to remove the inside tuplet numbers.  Also the rests that fill out the measure may need some adjusting to get what you want.  Just delete them all within Simple entry and exit the measure.  Finale will refill the measure with a quarter note and a half note rest.  MIDI quantization settings will affect this too.

Speedy Entry - Outside tuplet 1st, then inside tuplets

1) Click in an empty 4/4 measure.  Position the cursor on the note you want using the up/down arrows
2) Press CTRL-1 to bring up the "Tuplet Definition" dialog box.  Make sure 3 eighths in the space of 2 eighths is chosen. OK.
3) Press numpad 4 (8th note) three times to enter the outside tuplet.
4) Select the Tuplet Tool.  This will fill out the measure with rests provided Speedy Options is set to do so.
5) Double click on the 1st eighth note of the outside tuplet.  This brings up the "Tuplet Definition" dialog box.  Make sure 3 16ths in the space of 1 eighth is chosen.  OK.
6) Double click on the last eighth note of the outside tuplet.  This brings up the "Tuplet Definition" dialog box again.  Make sure 3 16ths in the space of 1 eighth is chosen.  OK.  The two inside tuplets have now been "defined".
7) Select Speedy entry and click in the measure to bring up the edit frame again.  Position the cursor over the 1st eighth note of the outside tuplet.  Speedy entry is in the "Replace" mode, so if you press a numpad note value, like 3 for a 16th note, the note under the cursor, the 8th note in this case, will be replaced with a 16th note.
8) In order to complete the 1st 16th note inside tuplet with 2 more 16th notes, you have to put Speedy entry into "Insert" mode.  Since my keyboard does not have an Insert key (Ins) except in the numpad, this is easiest to do with the Speedy Menu.  That way you don't have to keep toggling "Num Lock" on an off to use the Ins key (0), an error prone procedure for sure. "Arrow heads" will be added to the top and bottom of the vertical cursor bar to indicate that you are now in "Insert" mode.  Press the numpad 3 (16th note) twice to complete the tuplet.
9) Place Speedy entry back into "Replace" mode using the Speedy menu.  Position the cursor over the last 8th note in the outside tuplet, and replace it with a 16th note by pressing numpad 3.
10) Go back into "Insert" mode and press numpad 3 (16th) twice to complete the 2nd inside tuplet.
11) And there you have it.  As before, you may want to remove the inside tuplet numbers.

Speedy Entry - Inside tuplets 1st, then outside tuplet.  (This is actually easier than the other way.)

1) Click in an empty 4/4 measure.  Position the cursor on the note you want using the up/down arrows.
2) Press CTRL-1 to bring up the "Tuplet Definition" dialog box.  Make sure 3 16ths in the space of 1 eighth is choosen. OK.
3) Press numpad 3 (16th note) three times to complete the 1st inside tuplet.
4) Press numpad 4 once to enter an eighth note.
5) Repeat steps 2) and 3) to complete the last inside tuplet.
6) Select the Tuplet Tool.  This will fill out the measure with rests provided the Speedy Options are set to do so.
7) Double click on 1st 16th note in the first tuplet to bring up the "Tuplet Definition" dialog box.  Make sure 3 8ths in the space of 2 eights is chosen.  OK.
8) And there you have it.  As before, you may want to remove the inside tuplet numbers.  Also the rests that fill out the measure may need some adjusting to get what you want.  Just delete them all within Speedy entry and exit the measure.  Finale will refill the measure with a quarter note and a half note rest.  MIDI quantization settings will affect this too.


Good luck.


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Sometimes it's easier just to enter the notes and then switch to the Tuplet tool.


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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read

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