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Jolora
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   Posted 3/31/2015 12:42 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Its listed in the "Interface Changes" section of Finale 2014d online docs.

And I guess "Utilities > Check Notation > Check Accidentals" functionality has been replaced by something else that I just cannot find?


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   Posted 3/31/2015 1:08 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can't find a mention of 2014.5. Where is it?

They removed Check Accidentals in 2014 because the paradigm for accidentals has been revamped, thus eliminating the need for that feature.

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   Posted 3/31/2015 1:15 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
I can't find a mention of 2014.5. Where is it?


Go to the Contents Tab, click on Finale 2014 Interface Changes. It pops up with links to interface changes in versions 2014.5, 2014d, 2014a, 2014, and a menu reference chart for 2012 vs 2014.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 1:18 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ll it says in 2014.5 is that Command Line and Change Noteheads plugins are obsolete and have been removed.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 1:19 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I just did a Check for Updates, and it says 2014d is the most recent update, and I have that. So, what's up with 2014.5?

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   Posted 3/31/2015 8:22 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It would be reasonable to think that since the two plugins are still present in 2014d, they will be gone when 2014-5 is officially released as, posssibly, 2014e. We probably weren't supposed to see that.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 8:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have never looked at the Command Line plug-in before now.  I cannot seem to find any documentation on it other than the cryptic help at the bottom.  It is an interesting alternate way to enter notes, though probably it gets little use.  I think I will squirrel it away so I can come back and explore it more.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 8:44 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't see any 2014.5 in the list of Interface Changes. I suppose it's possible that someone at MM accidentally posted a version of the manual that is being worked on.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 8:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

It's in the help manual.

http://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2014Win/Finale.htm#Finale/Interface_Changes.htm%3FTocPath%3D_____3

 


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   Posted 3/31/2015 9:01 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wlgold said...
It would be reasonable to think that since the two plugins are still present in 2014d, they will be gone when 2014-5 is officially released as, possibly, 2014e.


If they are working on a package that truly resolves many of the bugs and other changes that have caused so many people to run away from 2014, it is a wise move to brand it as "2014.5" to separate it from the very poor reputation that 2014 has (deserved or not). This seems like a wise move to me, but if they release a "2014.5" it really must clear up all those objections.

They could start by getting HP to work as well as it did at 2012 and fixing the bugs they introduced in the cautionary accidentals plug-in at 2014 (OK that last one is a pet peeve, but the HP stuff is really structural).

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Jolora said...
ll it says in 2014.5 is that Command Line and Change Noteheads plugins are obsolete and have been removed.


Good catch!!!

Had not seen this until your post.
Well, since the bag has now opened and the cat has emerged it would be nice if MM would comment on this.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 12:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As long as Change Noteheads is available via the Change menu, I am not concerned about the potential loss of the plug-in.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 1:33 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Greetings all,

We recently published an updated version of the User Manual that unintentionally included the information described in this thread.

As previously announced, our goal for Finale development going forward is to increase quality and improve user experience. Finale 2014.5, the next incremental update to Finale 2014, will continue our work toward modernizing Finale and improving its performance. We haven’t set a release date for the update, but already our development team has fixed numerous defects and are making use of the data collection we implemented in 2014d.

I’ve rolled back the online user manual to remove the information. While the release isn’t quite ready yet, rest assured that we’re well on our way to making Finale better than ever.

Happy musicking,


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   Posted 3/31/2015 1:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jon Tschiggfrie said...
Greetings all,

We recently published an updated version of the User Manual that unintentionally included the information described in this thread.

As previously announced, our goal for Finale development going forward is to increase quality and improve user experience. Finale 2014.5, the next incremental update to Finale 2014, will continue our work toward modernizing Finale and improving its performance. We haven't set a release date for the update, but already our development team has fixed numerous defects and are making use of the data collection we implemented in 2014d.

I've rolled back the online user manual to remove the information. While the release isn't quite ready yet, rest assured that we’re well on our way to making Finale better than ever.

Happy musicking,


While I appreciate MM's "data mining" abilities with the "d" update I believe I also remember that it was stated that features would not be changed or removed just on the results of the data collection alone? Has this now been ignored?


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   Posted 3/31/2015 2:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ralph L. Bowers Jr. said...


While I appreciate MM's "data mining" abilities with the "d" update I believe I also remember that it was stated that features would not be changed or removed just on the results of the data collection alone? Has this now been ignored?


I'll offer a guess: No. You wouldn't ignore your other available sources of information. I don't think they will either.
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   Posted 3/31/2015 3:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
saxop, right.

I liked certain other plugins that since I have F2012c I transferred dropped (discontinued folder) plugins to F2014.
Like my "Composer’s Assistant Plug-ins" folder.

The feeling I get is due diligence to any statement like the caveat with data collection decisions will fall away.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 3:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As of this moment, there is no online user manual. Ouch. How do we get help? It is totally blank!!

Zuill

P.S.: The 2014 Win documentation is blank, but the Mac is there.


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   Posted 3/31/2015 3:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I suppose I need to disable the link to the online manual and use my local one meanwhile?

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   Posted 3/31/2015 3:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill, the online manual is working for me in Chrome on Windows. Does it display correctly if you refresh the cache (CTRL+F5)?


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   Posted 3/31/2015 3:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Now it's back. I was about to adjust my preferences setting.

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Still up.


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Progression, Progression 2, Notion 4, [Notion 5, (bought but not installed)]
Pro Tools 9.5, Reaper
Kontakt 5
GPO4, World Instruments
Smart Score Pro X , PhotoScore Ultimate 6 & 7 ( 7 has some utility----best of those available)
M-Audio "Oxygen 25" Midi input keyboard (recent addition 2014)
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Again, you may have to clear your cached version of the manual. If it still appears, you can clear the entire stored cache in Chrome by following these steps:

  • Click the "Customize and control Google Chrome" button on the toolbar.
  • Choose More Tools > Clear browsing data.
  • In the dialog box, ensure that Cached images and files is selected.
  • Click Clear browsing data.


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Looks like the reference to 2014.5 is back. What's up with that? I ask for updates in Finale and it still says I have the most recent version.

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Sounds like someone in MM's documentation section is saving to the external web instead of to MM's in-house LAN.


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It's gone for me.


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