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   Posted 2/26/2013 3:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think we are making this much more complicated than it really is.

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P.S.: There is no need to exit Speedy to do the OP's first sample. There are so very few steps just staying in Speedy that anything else is overkill.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 3:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Flint said...
Sometimes it's easier just to enter the notes and then switch to the Tuplet tool.

I should get to know that tool. I've managed to avoid it all these years.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 3:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
On thing I found nice in the discussions was the idea of zooming to 200% or so when inserting sixteenth-notes between two other notes. It's probably obvious, but I overlooked it, I normally operate around 75% size in scroll mode so there isn't much room.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 3:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Did Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart, et. al., ever need that kind of notation?

Just askin'...



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   Posted 2/26/2013 3:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sure.

Having to zoom is another argument in favor of arcanity. :-)


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   Posted 2/26/2013 4:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Insert tool doesn't really require the notes to space until you're done. If you do need to zoom, that is fine as well. Going in and out of the Speedy frame (using the 0 key) is all that is usually needed.

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P.S.: In Speedy, using a MIDI keyboard, I was able to enter the 8th triplet with a 16th triplet on each end in 20 seconds. In order to not show the 3's on the 16th triplets, I would have to add a bit more time, but I think they should be there anyway. Editing the look and position of the 3's does add a bit of time, but the note entry should be the primary task.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 4:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I guess if I was writing this I would add a bracket for the bigger triplet and raise it up to encompass the lesser 3's.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 5:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Zuill,

Not everybody uses or even likes Speedy entry, or a MIDI keyboard.  To each his own.  I think it is good to present as many methods as possible so each user can find a method(s) that they understand and are comfortable using.

BTW:  I like your's and Vaughan's Speedy method over my Speedy method (outside 1st then inside), but the fact that you don't have to leave Speedy and use the Tuplet Tool is not obvious.  In essence, you are really using the Tuplet Tool "behind the scenes" when you go back and press CTRL-3 on the 1st and last 8th notes.  As I mentioned, my keyboard (MS Natural MultiMedia KB) does not have an Ins key except in the numpad with NumLock off, so going into "Insert" mode is best accomplished for me by using the Speedy Menu.

PS:  If you made the insides first, I think you have to use the Tuplet Tool to make the outside last.  No?


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   Posted 2/26/2013 5:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How bizarre about eliminating the Insert key. I looked at some pictures online. The keyboard is big, so it's not to save space. They seem to have made the Delete key twice as big instead. What were they thinking?


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   Posted 2/26/2013 5:43 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What were they thinking?!?!


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   Posted 2/26/2013 7:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can do what I did in Speedy without the MIDI keyboard almost as fast. I wasn't aware the Insert key was not a standard option.

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   Posted 2/26/2013 7:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I suspect an Ins key is standard equipment on most keyboards, but leave it to Microsoft to find a way to leave it out.

Regarding the 2nd tuplet example the OP posted, it looks daunting, but in fact is not so bad to form in either Simple or Speedy.  There is no nesting involved here.  It is somewhat non-standard, but it is just a "6 16ths in the place of 1 quarter" tuplet.  Such tuplet oddities are no problem for Finale.  Here are the two ways I found, one in Simple and one in Speedy.

Simple

1) Select the eighth note and click it into an empty 4/4 measure.  Press R to change it into a rest.

2) Press ALT-9.  Make sure 6 16ths in the place of 1 quarter is chosen.  OK.  Note that 4 more 16th note rests are entered.

3) Choose the 16th note (numpad 3) and overstrike each of the rests with a note.  After entering the 2nd note, press / to remove the beam.

Speedy

1) Click in an empty 4/4 measure to bring up the frame.

2) Press CTRL-1.  Make sure 6 16ths in the place of 1 quarter is chosen. OK.

3) Press numpad 4 (8th note).  Press R to change it to a rest.

4) Press numpad 3 (16th note) 4 times.  After entering the 2nd note, press / to remove the beam.  It's scrunched up as you enter, but once you leave the measure, Finale will respace everything nicely.


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   Posted 2/26/2013 11:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It might be faster in Speedy to press Ctrl-6, enter a 16th note, then change it to an 8th, then proceed. Also, a rest without MIDI can be entered with Ctrl-Shift and QWERTY number. Some shortcuts can make things go faster.

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   Posted 2/27/2013 3:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Thanks Zuill,

There are so many ways to do things.  One gets into a rut with one's own work flow and soon forgets about the other ways.


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