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   Posted 11/18/2015 5:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Charles Lawrence said...
The last several releases/updates have been distributed as full functional downloads to be stored on your HD for future use. It did not use to be this way. You should not have deleted the F2014 install file, in case you need it for whatever reason.


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I maintain backups to my backups Charles so I have them back to F2010b and every upgrade and update since. I'd just like it noted/reflected in our accounts and reflect that it is 2014.5.
Maybe Mark will have that part of the accounts updated in due course?


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   Posted 11/18/2015 5:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Charles Lawrence said...
The last several releases/updates have been distributed as full functional downloads to be stored on your HD for future use.  It did not use to be this way.  You should not have deleted the F2014 install file, in case you need it for whatever reason.
Personally, I didn't, but others should be entitled to have what they paid for, if needed.
 
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   Posted 11/18/2015 6:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
CraigP,
"Yeah, I get that much. What I am trying to figure out is WHERE the software is. Can somebody please provide a link or at least a hint as to what page it is on?"

You need to go through 2014d. Under the 'Help' tab there is "Check for updates". It will install for you.


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   Posted 11/18/2015 6:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
...or, alternatively, just log into your MM account and go to your "My software" page. If you download Finale, you will get the latest version.


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   Posted 11/18/2015 8:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ron. said...
...or, alternatively, just log into your MM account and go to your "My software" page. If you download Finale, you will get the latest version.


Right. This is the answer, but it was confusing because that was identified only as "Finale 2014"
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   Posted 11/18/2015 10:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Charles Lawrence said...
I don't know Craig. All I can say is that my GPO4 was not seen in F2014.5 until I stopped F2014.5, installed the auxiliary files, and restarted F2014.5. The referenced instructions have similar instructions for JABB3, so I am confused if it works for you without having to do what it says.

I tried to follow that Garritan document
http://garritan.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5651/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDQ3ODk3NDkwL3NpZC91dEJCR1JCbQ%3D%3D

but it refers to files that don't exist anywhere on my Windows machine. The document refers to JABB3 appearing in the device list. This has NEVER appeared in the device list for me. What appears is the Aria player. When I launch the Aria player, I can load in JABB3 instruments. It almost seems like there is some other mode of operation that doesn't use Aria.

The Garritan document also refers to JABB3 appearing in the Sound Map Priority box. Again, I don't think this EVER appeared. The only thing there is Softsynth. I don't know that this matters, as I assign my instruments manually and generally work from a template that has the instruments set up already. Everything seems to be working as before, but maybe I never had JABB3 properly installed.
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   Posted 11/18/2015 10:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Okay. I now have 2014.5 installed. However, I am still working on some projects, so decided to use 2014d for those. However, I now keep getting the pop-up when opening 2014 that there is a new version (2014.5). I suppose I should disable the automatic update feature in 2014. Maybe there's nothing they could do about the updater recognizing 2014.5 is already installed.

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   Posted 11/19/2015 12:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I just checked to see if the bug involving dotted rests got fixed, but apparently not. Too bad. That one is just not right.

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   Posted 11/19/2015 3:24 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When in 2014, the link to the manual is now to the new 2014.5 manual. In other words, the new manual is an integrated manual for both. The problem with that is that the changes in 2014.5 are there, which could confuse someone still using 2014d. For example, the new manual shows the Apply HP Playback in the MIDI Tool. However, in 2014d, it is not a built-in feature, but a plugin.
 
I am guessing this might cause a lot of confusion for users not having 2014.5 installed. This is a bizarre approach, since it is being touted that they are 2 separate programs. However, they share a manual that shows things as they are in 2014.5, not 2014d. Hmmmm.

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   Posted 11/19/2015 8:57 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Craig,

From what you describe, you definitely do not have JABB3 interfaced with Finale like it should be.  You can of course, as you have described, use JABB3 manually and assign instruments to the Aria player, but you are missing out on what Finale can do automatically, i.e. load up the Aria player per your choice of instruments.  And no, all recent Finale versions use the Aria player for playback using VST.  There is no other player bundled in Finale anymore.  You should have JABB3 available as a "Device" in the Score Manager, and if chosen, then under "Sound", you should see a hierarchy dropdown of all the sounds available in the library.  You certainly should be able to set the soundmap priority as well.

The instruction sheet you reference is correct.  What version of Finale are you using?  I assume the new F2014.5.  All the directories referred to in the instruction should be there except they are called F2014.5 instead of F2014.  MM has not updated the instruction specifically for F2014.5, but you can just substitute F2014.5 everywhere there is an F2014.  BTW, the F2014 directories are there as well, since F2014.5 is not an update, but its own standalone product that can run concurrently with F2014 or any other version you may have installed.  You also must download the JABB3.ZIP file located at the bottom of the instruction sheet.  Unzip it somewhere, because it contains the auxiliary/support files referenced in the instruction.  It sounds like you have never done this important step.  The interfacing of a Garritan library to Finale, other than GIFF, must be done manually, and is not, at this time, done automatically during the installation of the library sound files.  Stop Finale, place the support files in the directories as instructed, and restart Finale.  You should see JABB3 interfaced to Finale correctly then.

Good luck.  If you still have problems, let us know.



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   Posted 11/19/2015 11:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Charles Lawrence said...
You also must download the JABB3.ZIP file located at the bottom of the instruction sheet. Unzip it somewhere, because it contains the auxiliary/support files referenced in the instruction. It sounds like you have never done this important step. The interfacing of a Garritan library to Finale, other than GIFF, must be done manually, and is not, at this time, done automatically during the installation of the library sound files.


OK. That's probably the answer. I don't remember ever doing that. I guess I just assumed that if I installed both products JABB3 and Finale from the same supplier, they would work together without a bunch of manual hacking. Silly me.

Thanks for the pointers. This might make life a little easier after I get it sorted out.
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On edit, I did install those extra files. It does make for a more seamless operation. Definitely fewer steps when setting up a new score.

I have grown accustomed to using multiple Aria instances (one for reeds, one for brass, one for rhy, etc.) It isn't really necessary, but sometimes it is a little easier to adjust the mix for the entire section at once, and sometimes I set different reverb levels or other effects on each instance. But I can still do that the hard way if it is needed. This seamless mode is definitely the way to start, and it more in line with how Sibelius manages instruments. Thanks for setting me straight.

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   Posted 11/19/2015 12:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Silly you Craig! smilewinkgrin Why would you ever think such a thing!  Seriously though, this is something MM should fix, since they now own the Garritan product line.  Before that, it was perfectly reasonable for Garritan not to automatically interface with any particular software, but to have an external interfacing procedure for a given software such as Finale.


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   Posted 11/19/2015 2:11 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I haven't touched my Garritan products since Finale 2011. 2014 and 2014.5 picked them up automatically and the work fine within Finale.


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   Posted 11/19/2015 2:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I beg to differ, but it just won't happen.  Perhaps you are confused like Craig was.


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   Posted 11/19/2015 2:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nah, I remember having to manually place files and download shtuff from the MakeMusic site to get them to work correctly for Finale 2009 and 2011. Haven't had to do that for 2014 at all.


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   Posted 11/19/2015 2:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
AFAIK, if you have not done it for F2014 and F2014.5, then you are not interfacing your Garritan library properly with Finale.  You can still use the library by loading the Aria player manually with sounds or ensembles, but Finale can do it for you if properly interfaced.  Just out of curiosity, in the Score Manager, do you see your libraries in the "Device" dropdown, and the sounds for a given library in the "Sound" dropdown?  You should.  If not, then it is not configured properly.


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   Posted 11/19/2015 11:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I see this in the readme about 2014.5:

"Custom user-defined options are now displayed in the Apply Human Playback command in the MIDI tool menu."

This option was always available, but it was in the dropdown list. Now, they automatically appear, and are not an item in the list. I suppose this is an improvement.

Also, I did test their mention of fixed lyric size spacing properly. I remember this as a bug Mike Rosen had brought to light. That fix is a good thing.

I also notice that editing mixed fonts in lyrics no longer results in odd characters appearing out of nowhere. That is a valuable fix.

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   Posted 11/19/2015 11:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...


Also, I did test their mention of fixed lyric size spacing properly. I remember this as a bug Mike Rosen had brought to light. That fix is a good thing.


Yes, I checked that out today. A good thing.

In addition, when you view the page under a higher magnification, the lyrics in the lyric window are enlarged, as well. And it seems that the cursor no longer jumps back to the top when you want to click-assign from the middle of the window. All in all, improvements to lyrics are working, for which I'm grateful!



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   Posted 11/20/2015 1:44 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Craig,

You can set up multiple instances of the Aria player for your "mixing" in the Score Manager.  Just choose different banks (Aria players) and channels (1-16) for your mixes.  If you don't see Bank and Channel, then turn them on with the "Customize View" button.


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Mike Rosen said...
Zuill said...


Also, I did test their mention of fixed lyric size spacing properly. I remember this as a bug Mike Rosen had brought to light. That fix is a good thing.


Yes, I checked that out today. A good thing.

In addition, when you view the page under a higher magnification, the lyrics in the lyric window are enlarged, as well. And it seems that the cursor no longer jumps back to the top when you want to click-assign from the middle of the window. All in all, improvements to lyrics are working, for which I'm grateful!
Unfortunately, in Windows, if I highlight a syllable in the Lyrics Window, then click assign, it always enters one syllable to the left. This is not changed from 2014d. It is really frustrating. I should report it.
 
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P.S.: The bug in Click Assign is actually more inconsistent than what I said. It often jumps around in other unpredictable ways. This is not new to 2014.5, but didn't get fixed with the other Lyric improvements.


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Another line from the readme:

"The Add Cue Notes plug-in now adds the name of the cued instrument to the cue."

2014d added the name, so I don't know why this is mentioned. In 2014, the name was added, but no accidental (as in Trumpet in B appearing instead of Bb). In 2014.5, it now shows Bb, but the flat is actually a letter b. One needs to edit the expression to change the b to a flat.

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Readme:

"Speedy Entry
• Showing or hiding an accidental no longer requires two keystrokes."

I never had a problem in 2014d. Am I missing something?

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Another bug that I was expecting to get fixed didn't:

When copying a copyable staff style in a score, it doesn't copy in the part. That is a huge bug that has been reported and discussed for years. That makes for lots of extra work.

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Check out this thread over on the Mac side concerning the Aria player/engine.

http://forum.makemusic.com/?f=6&m=464801&g=464806#m464806


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Cakewalk SONAR X3

 

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   Posted 11/20/2015 3:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is a message to MakeMusic:

If you are going to replace the 2014 manual with the 2014.5 manual, fine. However, if you are now including a video about how the manual works, as you did, you might want to have the look of the manual match the look of the New manual. The video looks like it was made in 2014, not 2014.5. Just a suggestion, to alleviate what has already become a confusing scenario for user with 2014 who now have a manual for 2014.5.

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