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   Posted 4/20/2011 3:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
First of all, I want to make it crystal clear: I am a "Finale" user for ALL of my creations! I started with the product in late 2002 and I currently use 2010. I will most likely update to 2012 when it becomes available. For me, it is "Finale" for life!

But, out of curiosity, what was your first notation program? Mine was "Theme" - anybody ever heard of it?

PWE


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   Posted 4/20/2011 3:31 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Pen and ink and manuscript paper for many decades.
 
Then I tried both Personal Composer and Score, neither of which were any good at the time.  Both were for PC (DOS). Personal Composer was quite crude and Score was not good at all for composing and arranging, although some engravers still swear by it. Finale was a revelation when it came along.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 3:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can't remember my first, but I ran it on my Apple IIGS back in 1987 - it used a fixed staff, to which you add notational bits (including barlines, noteheads, stems, etc.).
Then I used Professional Composer my first year of college (1991), followed by Encore for a few years, then the jump to Finale 3 pointsomething (in the school's lab).


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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read

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   Posted 4/20/2011 3:49 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I used Nightingale, from '93 until I got PrintMusic 2004.



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   Posted 4/20/2011 4:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Finale v.1.1 on a Mac Se30


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   Posted 4/20/2011 5:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Peter West said...
Finale v.1.1 on a Mac Se30

Wow, Peter, 1.1!  I am duly, well and truly impressed.  I would love to hear about your impression/experiences with that first version.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 5:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Entirely pencil and paper with a nib pen for part copying, until Encore, which only lasted a day. Too much it couldn't do, and hopelessly buggy.

I slavered over my school mates who were using Finale for the next little while, finally buying a computer to run version 3 or so on, fully intending to only use the computer for Finale. Ha! It was a huge investment for a poor student at the time, but it paid off handsomely.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 5:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I struggled with Igor Engraver for a while. Extremely buggy.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 5:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I started in 1975 with Clint Roemer's book, "The Art of Music Copying" using Osmiroid & Pelikan calligraphy pens. It was great training. My first computer in 1984 was an Epson QX-10 which ran at a blazing 4mkz. It was mostly used for word processing, but I did have a program called QX-Composer which allowed me to input music notation via keystrokes. I used it one night to write out some very simple horn charts for a session. It took 5 hours by computer, it would have taken 20 minutes by hand.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 5:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think tomorrow is my Finale 10th birthday.

Before that I had 50 years (or thereby) of pen, pencil and paper, which I still use for much of my sketching and rough work. I had thought of using Sibelius quite early on, but for one reason or another rejected this and used exclusively manuscript until I was supplied by my publisher with Finale 2001 (and an iMac to go with it) on - I think - 21 April 2001. And very frustrating I found my first three months of Finale and computer use (I started both together). Then, suddenly, wonderfully it all clicked!


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   Posted 4/20/2011 5:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My first was Finale 2.2, on Windows 3.0. I tried all the demos I could including Encore, Music Printer Plus, and several others that were quite lame. I came very close to purchasing Encore, but being a power user of computers then (but a complete nooby in music notation) I decided to go with Finale, as I felt a lot less restricted. Glad I did. Still pull up some of those first files once in a while. For me the computer was much faster than my poor hand work. Had to save up for quite a while before I could purchase the full version, as it cost a fortune in those days. Sure miss the smell of the two printed manuals.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 6:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
After pencil (or rather, biro) and paper, I used "Score" briefly, then moved onto "Encore", which I stayed with to the (original) bitter end, at which point I moved to Finale (back in about 1998). To this day, Encore is more intuitive in many respects, working the way you'd "expect" for any random Windows programme, but of course, Finale does so much more, and results in better printout - even though you have to fight for it at times.

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   Posted 4/20/2011 7:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Personal Composer first, followed by The Note Processor. Neither one lasted very long.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 9:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can't remember what my first notation program was called. It was something I downloaded off of America Online (Yikes!).

I bought Finale 3.0 my second year of college and wowed all of my professors with it. I remember my orchestration teacher's head almost exploding from seeing a printed score from a student.


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   Posted 4/20/2011 11:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Finale 1 ($699 w/academic discount in the late 1980s) on an SE30 (about $3000 w/imagewriter printer and 16MB RAM!!). From start to printed output, I didn't really save any time over pencil and pare (which I used for 15 years or so before that), but I could sleep overnight while Finale extracted the parts. I would imagine that Peter has similar stories.

I also flirted with Nightingale a bit (didn't like the program much) and used Score on my PC, but never went back to the PC after working for a day or two on the Mac.

Jim Coull

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   Posted 4/21/2011 12:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I had tried Professional Composer with a lot of struggle and frustration, then I made the plunge and bought Finale 1.0. The SE30 was not out yet, I was on a MacPlus with the good old 68000 chip. It think it was 8Mhz and I had 2Mb of ram that I later upgraded to the max 4 that you could put in. (kind of like my Macbook Pro now only with Gigs instead of Megs). I bought a LaCie Cirrus external hard drive and went overboard and bought a 70 Mb one instead of the regular 40 Mb that was the going thing.

I did my masters thesis in composition on it. It was a piece for full orchestra that I had to break up into 12-16 bar chunks to work on otherwise the screen redraws would take forever when I tried to do anything. Update layout was only used sparingly because it took so long. Splitting parts was a real extravaganza. Overnight the computer would be humming away, you hope. I would set my alarm for the middle of the night so I could go and check to make sure everything was still working and nothing had crashed (which happened with dire consequences in those days—nowadays you just restart the program, reboot? really? back then it was with prayers and special offerings to the Happy Mac gods to make sure the crash hadn't toasted everything).

I was doing music copying for some of my profs for large orchestral works and at one point I kind of had a breakdown when I realized that even working 24 hours a day for a week would not be enough to finish the projects on my Mac Plus. Rather than lose the contracts, I went out and bought a Mac IIci. It was a great machine and I was able to get my projects completed in time. By then I think I was up to Finale 2.6 which was a very significant upgrade. I could go make coffee and have a break while parts were splitting, none of this checking progress at 2 am. I thought it was a miracle at the time. I remember phoning my buddy, so excited that my parts were split in ten minutes rather than 10 hours. Now that was an upgrade!

Tim

(Oh, and they didn't have an academic price, I had to pay $1200 for it—around the same price as my 70Mb hard drive, yeow!)


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   Posted 4/21/2011 3:50 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I used MusicProse 2.1 when working at a school, which was my first experience with a Finale family product.

A few years later, I bought Nightingale, mostly because it was cheap. I forget which version (2-3?).
Nightingale was awful. You have to add the barlines by hand. It had a very strict notion of "the order in which things should be done", and if you wanted to do things differently, you would have to wrestle with it.

A few years after that, I saw a "cross-grade" offer for Finale -- half price if you showed proof of any other notation package. I've never looked back since.


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   Posted 4/21/2011 5:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Compared to many Finale veterans here, I came to it rather late. I bought my first Mac (a Performa 630) at about the same time as Finale 3.2, the version with which they introduced note-attached slurs. Before that I had had Notator on an Atari ('power without the price' or 'the poor man's Mac') since 1987. It was a good machine and quite fast: 8 MHz, with 1 MB of RAM and a whopping 20 Mb harddisk. I got quite adept at getting Notator to do all kinds of things it wasn't designed to do, although I had to do things like cross-staff beaming by exporting a page as a graphic and doing it in a graphics program. I even made special fonts to take care of things the program couldn't display. I upgraded to 4 MB RAM so I could use a laser printer (300 DPI!!). It was interesting to watch the print process. The printer was connected using a Direct Memory Access port which appropriated an entire MB of RAM and basically froze the system during the action. Notator would build up each line of output at full resolution which would momentarily flash across the screen (300 DPI on a 72 DPI screen!) and be saved in memory until the entire page could be sent to the printer. I remember occasionally being late for appointments because printing anything would momentarily freeze the computer's clock which would afterwards continue where it had left off. After printing a large number of pages, the system clock could be slow by as much as 20 minutes. Despite all of this, it took Finale (and the computers I've had since) many years to approach the speed with which Notator on the Atari could enter notes, build up the display and print pages.


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   Posted 4/21/2011 6:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Deluxe Music Construction Set!

Then Professional Composer, on to Finale v1

Composer's Mosaic was in there along with updating Finale periodically

Shift to Sibelius

Back to Finale


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   Posted 4/21/2011 8:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Rick Averill said...
Peter West said...

Finale v.1.1 on a Mac Se30

Wow, Peter, 1.1! I am duly, well and truly impressed. I would love to hear about your impression/experiences with that first version.


It was pretty basic compared with now, but seemed sophistcated at the time. Files had to be small because the 14MHz (!) processor and 256K RAM couldn't handle much. I upgraded to 1MB Ram (for £800) which made some improvement.
We didn't have smart shapes at all, no plug ins, no engraver tuplets. It was very labour intensive, but given that previously I was working on a drawing board with drafting film, rotring pens , rulers calculators. Previous to Finale I had to work out where to put the staves and draw them, line by line before I could then draw in bar lines, braces, and eventually the notes etc. Finale was like a dream come (coming) true.


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   Posted 4/21/2011 8:44 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Like Jetcopy, I started with Clinton Roehmer's book while in University, and spent twenty-odd years copying full-time by hand. My first software program was Muscribe, which used a special keyboard that came with the software. It was good for its time, but the company went under. I switched to Finale immediately when it was first released. I was still on a Mac Plus with a very large 20 megabyte external drive. My serial number is 1698. I still have the floppy disks and the incomprehensible manual.I didn't use it much for work then, because it could take an hour or more to extract parts. And much of what I was copying was disposable -- parts for jingle sessions or string overdubs and the like. Later I was a beta tester for MusicProse, which was called Bignose before release.


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Pencil (and Flair pens) and paper, then Deluxe Music Construction Set on a 128k Mac in the mid 80s. Loved those ImageWriter dot matrix printers...NOT.
Jumped into Finale 2.0 in 1991(?) after being shown Score on a DOS machine. (eek! lines of computer-orange code on a dark screen; I couldn't dream up anything that looked LESS like music) At the time, Finale was a revelation, even though today we'd have to snicker. Thank goodness for MakeMusic (nee Coda Music Technology) for sticking to it and offering what we have available today.


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   Posted 4/21/2011 10:16 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Pencil and paper is not notation program! :)
I used Finale 2000 as a pupil at school, and I am still here...

Does anyone has a screenshoots of this oldies, would be funny to see how it looked....


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I had something—although I can't remember the name—that ran on Commodore 64 back in 86 or so. I had a 9-pin dot matrix printer, and if there was a way to make that combination work well enough to use on a gig, that method escaped me.


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As a result of doing my own looking back, I tried to find a time line of Finale releases and the year they were released. I found one simple document on the website in a blog, but nothing comprehensive as it left out most of the releases in the early years. Does anyone know of such a timeline?


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