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   Posted 7/8/2011 7:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi,

I am putting music into the computer for a budding composer. She only writes piano music. Is it possible to make a template with all or at least some of the 5 items below:

1. the piano staves,
2. the piano bracket,
3. the composer's name,
4. with "play Finale through Audio Units" set,
5. with the volume already set.

This template means I would only have to fill in the title, copyright date and then the time signature, tempo markings, etc. for each piece. If it is possible are there instructions or a video I can follow?

Thanks

Greatsinger


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   Posted 7/8/2011 8:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Set up the file the way you want it. Save As... and choose Finale Template File (.ftm) as the file type. Save it wherever you want it, and it will be there.

Please add the program you're using to your signature, in the forum Control Panel.



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   Posted 7/8/2011 9:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you Mike,

Sorry I forgot.... I am using Finale PrintMusic 2011 on an iMac (2008) c/w OS 10.6.8 (Leopard I think).

I followed your instructions but the "save as..." does not give me the option of saving to a .ftm file, just Finale .mus or .midi

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   Posted 7/8/2011 9:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
They stripped that out of PM, too?

I swear, every time I hear about this sort of thing, it makes me more furious at the way they have emasculated (no offense meant to the ladies) this once quite adequate program. If I were you, I would see if they will take it back, and you should buy SongWriter 2010. Hurry, before they screw that one up, too. Just remember to save all of your work as an XML, so you can open it in SW.

As another workaround, set up the document and save it as a .mus. You can still use it as a template. Just remember to Save as... immediately after opening, before you enter anything at all. Then, make your changes, save it again, and away you go.



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   Posted 7/8/2011 9:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OK Mike, will do. Thank you for your suggestions.

Margo (Greatsinger)


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   Posted 7/9/2011 2:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"They stripped that out of PM, too?"

Mike, the .ftm file type has never been used in any of the Mac versions of Finale or its children products - it is a Windows only thing, so it hasn't necessarily been taken out of PM.

Margo, just save the file with a name like Piano Template.mus. When you start a new project, open the file and save it as whatever name you want - the original template will remain as is.

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   Posted 7/9/2011 3:38 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've never used templates. Are they different in content from .MUS files?


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   Posted 7/9/2011 5:08 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
I've never used templates. Are they different in content from .MUS files?

As Far As I Know, the only difference between as .MUS document and a .FTM template is the file name extension.

The Windows version needs to know that it should create a new, untitled copy of the document (instead of opening the document).
Hence the file name extension .FTM.

The Mac version doesn't need the file name extension .FTM.
To create a new untitled copy of the document (with the Mac version) you choose File menu > New > Document From Template...
To open the document (with the Mac version) you choose File menu > open...

My guess is that this difference between the Windows version and the Mac version goes back to the Mac OS versions before Mac OS X.
Back then the Mac OS file system didn't use file name extensions.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 5:26 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can make any file in Mac OS X into a template file:
1. Select the file
2. File menu: Show info (Cmd-I)
3. Top part of the pane: Check [Danish: Standardlayout] (Template)
You can also lock a file here, preventing any changes to be made to that file: if you do, it will prompt a "save as".

Jesper

PS: pre-OS X files had file extensions, but at first they were hidden per default. During OS 9 they became common, as exchange with Windows became a frequent task. You can hide file extensions in OS X too, but now they are on per default.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 8:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If the person ONLY uses this kind of layout, then set up the Finale Default File with all of those things in place, also page layout, printer setup, all libraries of shapes and text, font settings,. In fact everything. Line thicknesses, dash settings in smart shapes. The list goes on. Save the file back in the same place with the same name.
Now, when you launch a default file, or open a new file in the file wizard, it will have all of this in place.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 9:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jim Coull said...
"They stripped that out of PM, too?"

Mike, the .ftm file type has never been used in any of the Mac versions of Finale or its children products - it is a Windows only thing, so it hasn't necessarily been taken out of PM.

Margo, just save the file with a name like Piano Template.mus. When you start a new project, open the file and save it as whatever name you want - the original template will remain as is.

Jim Coull


Jim,
Thanks! I feel a little better, now. blush



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   Posted 7/9/2011 9:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jesper Hendze said...
PS: pre-OS X files had file extensions, but at first they were hidden per default. During OS 9 they became common, as exchange with Windows became a frequent task. You can hide file extensions in OS X too, but now they are on per default.

Not quite true.

In Classic Mac OS, File types were defined by 4-byte meta-data in the Resource Fork, for both file Type, and Creator (associated app). (e.g. TIFF, 8BIM for a Photoshop TIFF.)
You could add .doc, .jpg etc if you wanted to a file, but the OS didn't use that information. It was useful if you transferred the file to a Windows filesystem, as no other OS uses Resource Forks. An incoming file with a known extension would have Type and Creator metadata mapped to it.

In OS X, the system recognised both old Type/Creator metadata AND filename extensions. So you could have a file without an extension, and it would still be defined by Type/Creator metadata. However, file extensions took priority. Changing the extension changed the metadata. You can hide file extensions in the Finder, but this is purely a cosmetic feature.

Snow Leopard changed things a bit. Type/Creator metadata is now ignored and not maintained. In their place, it uses UTIs (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Type_Identifier) which are metadata strings of the form "public.html", or "com.adobe.postscript-font". File extensions are assigned to UTIs. The problem with this is that all "public.text" files are associated to one default app.

But I digress.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 9:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Peter West said...
If the person ONLY uses this kind of layout, then set up the Finale Default File with all of those things in place, also page layout, printer setup, all libraries of shapes and text, font settings,. In fact everything. Line thicknesses, dash settings in smart shapes. The list goes on. Save the file back in the same place with the same name.
Now, when you launch a default file, or open a new file in the file wizard, it will have all of this in place.

Actually, in later versions of Finale there are two copies of the Default File:
one copy for File menu > New > Default Document (= Maestro Font Default in the folder Default Files, unless you choose otherwise in Program Options)
and
one copy for File menu > New > Document With Setup Wizard... (= Engraved Style in the folder Document Styles)

But if you copy the same (template) document to both locations (and name the two copies correctly), you will have "all of this in place" when you "launch a default file, or open a new file in the file wizard".


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   Posted 7/9/2011 1:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So I gather if you same something as a template, any notes you have entered will be saved as well? Ideally I would want to save everything but.

As you build up your repertoire of expressions, articulations, etc., over time, how do you get these into your template? I've found the saving and loading of libraries to be problematic--mainly, it seems to create duplicates.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 2:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
As another workaround, set up the document and save it as a .mus. You can still use it as a template. Just remember to Save as... immediately after opening, before you enter anything at all. Then, make your changes, save it again, and away you go.


Yeah, this is what I do. You can save a lot of characteristics in a .mus template, including hidden staves and playback options.

And it's a good idea to make a few backup copies of your .mus-file template, too, in case you forget to immediately save it after opening it to use to make a new score.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 2:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
So I gather if you same something as a template, any notes you have entered will be saved as well? Ideally I would want to save everything but.

As you build up your repertoire of expressions, articulations, etc., over time, how do you get these into your template? I've found the saving and loading of libraries to be problematic--mainly, it seems to create duplicates.


Notes are the only thing that you don't save. If you've already done a piece, and you have everydamnthing just the way you want it (expressions, artics, etc.) save a copy, erase the notes, lyrics, and smart shapes, and you have a template.

If you create a new expression that you want in your template, if you started with the old template, just save the new one. Or save them both.



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   Posted 7/9/2011 2:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I guess I don't see any advantage to that over what I usually do with starting a new piece, which is to make a copy of an existing .mus and delete all the measures except the first one.


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   Posted 7/9/2011 5:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That works, too.



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