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Jari Williamsson
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| Posted 4/22/2012 5:15 AM (GMT -6) |   | | |
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Wess
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| Posted 4/22/2012 3:44 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi Ochtoechos,
this is very interesting.
In real world, using printer with resolution 1200 DPI the useful possibilities are only those, which are close to the integer number of lines, that printer might produce.
So, with 1200 DPI the settings you can make a choice form, are only:
6 lines = 0.127 mm = 0.00500 inches
7 lines = 0.148 mm = 0.00583 inches
8 lines = 0.169 mm = 0.00667 inches
9 lines = 0.191 mm = 0.00750 inches
10 lines = 0.212 mm = 0.00833 inches
11 lines = 0.233 mm = 0.00917 inches
12 lines = 0.254 mm = 0.01000 inches
If you apply scaling, the values must be divided by 0.xx %
For instance: using 59% scaling to get 5 mm staff: 0.005 inches / 0.59 = 0,008474576271186. This should be the value on box.
Since you can use 100% system and page, the only staff hight is to be input. Just say 5 or 7 etc (mm).
Score 4-5 mm Rostral:
IMO 6 lines is OK for staff, 8 stems, 9 bar lines and 10 (at most 11) ledger lines.
Piano-Vocal 6-7.5 mm Rostral:
Staff - 8 lines
Stem -9
Bar line -10
Ledger line -12
Any other values would be approximated to the integer ones.
Well, if the photocopy is to be made on film, the resolution my vary between 2400-8000 DPI, but 2400-4000 is more then perfect.
Less then 0.127 mm/ 0.005 inches seem to be unusual.
Personally, I prefer to stay very strict to this settings to be able later to see as close as possible the result under Adobe Illustrator or Acrobat Pro.
Nevertheless, most of the rental materials are printed on 1200 DPI.
Best regards,
Wess
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Peter Thomsen
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| Posted 4/22/2012 4:54 PM (GMT -6) | | Here is the link:
blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/04/05/Finale-and-the-Roman-Missal.aspx
Quoting the interview section about line thickness:
"Scott Yoho:
You mentioned you need to do this (= send test files to the printer to make sure they all work the same for them that they do for us; PT) with line thicknesses.
I guess most people would assume this is a constant with modern printers.
Steve Fiskum:
Whenever I’m working with a new printer I send out test samples for staff line thickness.
They FedEx hard copies back to us and we review.
All presses are different—even within the same plant.
Each can output the same PDF I provide in different ways.
With the new digital presses, the lines seem to be getting thinner, more precise.
I am fascinated by the huge differences subtle line thickness can cause.
If the line thickness is too thick, the notes appear to go back and seem too small.
Thinner lines help bring out the music.
That’s part of the beauty of the art of music engraving.
It’s a little geeky, but it’s something I love about all of this.
And that’s what keeps me going.
Finale lets me tweak anything to make it look exactly the way I need it to look."
Peter
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Dr. Wiggy
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| Posted 4/24/2012 3:58 AM (GMT -6) | | Personally, I think it makes more sense to use points as the unit of measurement for these sorts of things, rather than thousands of an inch!
Here's something that I kept from a discussion on this forum a while ago. I can't remember who wrote it, I'm afraid:
In a Finale 2009 document, the default thicknesses are (all measurements in spaces):
Barlines: 0.14583
Heavy Barlines (i.e., Final Barlines): 0.5
Staff lines: 0.14583
Leger Lines: 0.14583
Stems: 0.14583
In a Sibelius 5 document:
Barlines: 0.16
Heavy Barlines (i.e., Final Barlines): 0.5
Staff lines: 0.1
Leger lines: 0.16
Stems: 0.1
So indeed, in Sibelius the defaults reflect a difference between the barline width and the staff line width, while in Finale, they do not.
In the Essential Dictionary of Music Notation (Alfred), for instance, they say that "the thickness of a barline is equal to, or greater than, the staff line thickness (staff lines being thicker than stems)." Re leger lines: "leger lines are the same line weight as staff lines, or slightly heavier."
Here are the same settings as they're found in the 'European' document style.
Barlines: 0.1875
Heavy Barlines (i.e., Final Barlines): 0.5
Staff lines: 0.09375
Leger Lines: 0.1875
Stems: 0.09375
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