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Vaughan
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   Posted 7/25/2012 8:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Which spacing looks best to you? A is the way Finale does it by default but somehow it doesn't look right. B is tweaked but I'm not completely convinced about it, either. Opinions welcome!


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   Posted 7/25/2012 8:34 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think I like B, with the seconds in the chords aligning in 2 "spaces," rather than A, where they cover 3.



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   Posted 7/25/2012 10:01 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think I prefer C which is almost like B, but with a slight difference:

In B you have moved the Layer 1 notes to the left.

Instead I have in C moved the Layer 2 notes to the right.

The difference is particularly clear in the last measure:
Compare vertically between top staff and bottom staff.

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   Posted 7/25/2012 10:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
aren't primary noteheads supposed to align?

to me, the Finale default is the only correct version.
all of the others look wrong to me.


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   Posted 7/25/2012 11:05 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks for the responses. That's the whole problem, Michel. Finale's default is theoretically correct but somehow filling 3 note-spaces (as Mike put it) somehow looks strange to me. Peter Thomsen's solution looks most appealing to me, even though it may not strictly speaking be correct, although moving the layer two notes to the right leaves too much space at the beginning of the measure (I know; setting the spacing options to 'Incorporate' will solve that problem).


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Post Edited (Vaughan) : 7/25/2012 10:13:05 AM (GMT-5)

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   Posted 7/25/2012 11:26 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
the problem with your non-standard solutions is that they align the stems, rather than the noteheads.
this causes a serious visual conflict within the measure where the first beat has properly positioned stems (opposite sides of properly aligned noteheads), and the second beat has improperly aligned noteheads, and stems that align. it's a very distracting contradiction.

personally, I would hate to read a score written in this manner.
as a performer, I am USED to seeing certain types of note agglomerations take up a certain amount of room.

there are enough notes to warrant taking up the space of three noteheads' width. that's the way we're used to reading it.
I have yet to see it notated differently.
I'll happily capitulate if there are well-written, reputable, published examples presented.


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   Posted 7/25/2012 11:37 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No, Michel, you needn't capitulate. As I said, Finale's default is correct. FWIW, Elaine Gould clearly states this to be the way it should be done. For some reason, though, my eyes get 'caught' on it, and I'm afraid the composer's eyes will, as well.


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   Posted 7/25/2012 11:57 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm so used to seeing all types of notational approaches that either way would work for me. I am guessing this is not piano notation, but possibly a reduced score? If it were piano, I don't see why all four Treble Staff notes weren't on 1 stem.

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   Posted 7/25/2012 1:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michel R. E. said...
aren't primary noteheads supposed to align?

to me, the Finale default is the only correct version.
all of the others look wrong to me.


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