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   Posted 11/9/2013 9:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And you even changed your signature for this?

Whether or note software was bought on impulse or tested on trial basis, we still would have to voice our test results, wouldn't we? No one is asking money back, we're just informing MakeMusic of problems encountered, so they can prepare a number of fixes.
Btw, you're welcome.


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   Posted 11/9/2013 10:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Finale 2014 has a big audio problem.

Mac Pro Mavericks 10.9 Finale 2014 "Audio Engine failed to load." error.

I don't have any playback in either midi or audio units. I've tried doing all of MM's recommended fixes and it still does not work.

Do I have to wipe off all previous finale versions and instruments?

Finale 2012 works fine for audio, But 2014 is dead on arrival. Very time-wasting and frustrating. What else should I do?
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   Posted 11/10/2013 12:15 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You need not to apologize for criticizing or even demanding the money back. It is manufacturer's/producer's job to ensure everything works with everything out of box.

Writer of Music said...
And you even changed your signature for this?

Whether or note software was bought on impulse or tested on trial basis, we still would have to voice our test results, wouldn't we? No one is asking money back, we're just informing MakeMusic of problems encountered, so they can prepare a number of fixes.
Btw, you're welcome.
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   Posted 11/10/2013 12:47 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Marc Bischoff said...
Why why why why? This is the question I have constantly when using the demo of F2014. Is this what marketing departments do nowadays? Rush programmers into releasing unfinished software? Shame on them.

Why is Finale 2014 so slow? I opened a large orchestra file (34 staves) to put F2014 to the test. Conclusion? Unworkable. Scrolling with mouse-wheel has a 2sec delay. Every single time. It's so bad, it reminds me of the first Finale version on OSX. Simply dreadful and unworkable.
Why is the focus when editing expression on the description-field and not text-fiels as it used to be? Why change that? Why why why? it drives me nuts.
Why do things that obviously enhance productivity don't get included? Like as search field in the expression selection window. Why? Am I the only one having big expression libraries, every time scrolling through lists to find a specific one, or scribbling expression numbers on a piece of paper to remember them faster. I mean seriously. A simple search entry field. How hard can it be?
Instead we get magnetic palettes? What was wrong withe old ones? Nobody EVER complaint about them. I at least didn't even notice there was something wrong with them. Instead I would have loved to see more shortcuts. Finale is the most mouse-intensive program I use. I program my now shortcuts in the keyboard-preference window, but why do I have to do that. Compare the extensive (customizable) shortcut list of a program like Logic Pro, Protools or Cubase and see what I mean.
Now that would be productivity enhancement.

The new sound engine sucks big time. It stutters, doesn't run smooth at all, it has "ghost tails" when switching tools. And the new mixer isn't new at all. Just in a new coat of paint. Not all like previous versions of Finale.
Why change something that was good and make it worse?

Meanwhile: the hugely annoying font bug (discussed elsewhere on this forum) is still there. Why why? 3 years sinds the last update.

There are so many clear and user-demanded features and bugs that we would be happy to pay for to get them added or fixed.

I am startled why a company would make these kind of choices. Finale users are pro's that get dollars for hours. Every hour wasted on waiting for Finale to scroll or redraw the screen (did I mention that it is dreadfully slow?) is a direct loss in money.

And I didn't mention the countless crashhes I has, only trying to open the program for the first time. When Finale 2014 ttys to scan au-plugins it crashes countlessly. Why? Why? Other programs I use scanthem just fine, and report if a plug in is not validated.. Why the crashes? (I talking like 10-15 crashes!!!)
F2014 also crashes every time I try to delete a user generated expression- category. Why? Why? all that was working fine?


So disappointed. Happy I didn't pay for this.


Sorry to see you're having some issues, the slow behavior is not normal and not the experience we encountered internally nor in extensive beta testing, same for the crashes. Have you been in touch with support regarding this?

makemusic.custhelp.com/app/ask


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   Posted 11/10/2013 2:17 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Finale's main headline marketing phrase is that it is the No 1 Notation software, yet it is becoming a dinosaur in Notation while pandering to playback and audio markets. For those of us who are only interested in notation this release is a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. Nothing here is helpful to anyone who has notation knowledge and skills, all that is new helps people who have no knowledge get a better looking score quickly.

For some clients now I have a choice: Use Sibelius or export every page to Illustrator to finish, simply because Finale will not let me use the type sizies that my client's style sheet requires.

I love the feel and efficiency of Finale at it's best (I've been using it since V.1 and it is comfortable and natural to me), and for me the best is Finale 2010, still is. Since optimisation was replaced with the "new" system, which after 3 years still doesn't work without many hours of creating new groups for each system, Finale 2010 was the last and most stable version that allowed me to work quickly.


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   Posted 11/10/2013 4:31 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Peter West said...
I love the feel and efficiency of Finale at it's best (I've been using it since V.1 and it is comfortable and natural to me), and for me the best is Finale 2010, still is. Since optimisation was replaced with the "new" system, which after 3 years still doesn't work without many hours of creating new groups for each system, Finale 2010 was the last and most stable version that allowed me to work quickly.


Regarding the new layout system, I have never understood where the issue is. Set up basic groups for the whole document. You can then use JW Split Groups to split groups on the systems where they really need to be changed. And nowadays, it should even be possible to do different group setups depending on "optimization" automatically through scripting. Where do you need to spend the many hours?


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   Posted 11/10/2013 7:00 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
SPLIT GROUPS PLUG IN… I never noticed that. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!


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   Posted 11/10/2013 7:53 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jari's worth his weight in gold!


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   Posted 11/10/2013 8:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Indeed. For me, I found the changes to Layout introduced in 2011 to be a great improvement over the old way. So much faster, so much more flexible. Particularly when combined with Jari's Extend Selection plug-in, which easily allows to to select a region whose staves you can then adjust.

As for 2014, there are considerable improvements to notation: The layer fix for rests and accidentals and the improvements to hairpins et al were all very high on the list of Things Complained about.
Finale still retains all its ability to tweak and adjust that professional have always had. Yes, some lacunae are still there, particularly fractional point sizes. But for me every new version has brought something that improves my workflow and makes things faster and easier.
Admittedly, I'm not writing aleatoric symphonies for Patagonian nose flutes and ululating mezzos. :p

I've found 2014 to be solid, reliable, fast. Are there some rough edges to the UI? Yes. A few bugs need fixing? Yes.


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   Posted 11/10/2013 11:50 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wiggy said...

Admittedly, I'm not writing aleatoric symphonies for Patagonian nose flutes and ululating mezzos. :p


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   Posted 11/10/2013 1:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
YAY, thanks Jari, I can now confirm that 2012 is as good as 2010 for what I need.

I appreciate that some upgrades will suit some workflows better than others, and I can't expect everything to be designed for my benefit, but I don't expect an upgrade to actually downgrade my efficiency, so many many thanks for that Jari. Presumably the same will apply to 2014.

now all I need to work out is how to have 15.5 pt, 9.2 pt and 7.5 pt text all in the same file, using fixed 5mm staff.


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   Posted 11/10/2013 1:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Flint said

"UNABLE TO DOWNLOAD Finale 2014 DUE TO LACK OF CAT PICTURES."


You obviously don't befriend the right people on Facebook. I can send you links to people who will provide ample quantities without invitation.


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   Posted 11/10/2013 1:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Enchanting conversations about absolutly nothing.
Nothing to say on the topic? Then why bother?
Continue on facebook. Please!


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   Posted 11/10/2013 1:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Marc Bischoff said...
Enchanting conversations about absolutly nothing.
Nothing to say on the topic? Then why bother?
Continue on facebook. Please!


After 3 posts is NOT the very best time to be bitching at other forum users.
Particularly when your very first post to this long-standing community was a ridiculously melodramatic, over-the-top, tirade against Finale.

Now, since your topic actually WAS answered somewhere in the preceding messages, maybe you could take a couple of deep breaths and calm down a little?

People who start their tenure on this forum in the same vein as you have TEND to end up on peoples' ignore lists, which means you MAY end up not getting the future help you might require.


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   Posted 11/10/2013 1:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Marc, that's what we do, here. Most of us are friends of long acquaintance. If you're not happy with the fact that we're not falling all over ourselves to support your complaints, well, maybe you'll get the point.



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   Posted 11/10/2013 4:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Marc Bischoff, I think a little comic relief in the form of banter is a good thing.


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   Posted 11/10/2013 4:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't see ANY cat pictures on Facebook! Man, what a ripoff! Facebook is the worst site EVER. Why, why, why? LMFAO


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Michael Mortilla said...
I don't see ANY cat pictures on Facebook! Man, what a ripoff! Facebook is the worst site EVER. Why, why, why? LMFAO


That's because it isn't 64-bit. devil



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Michael Mortilla said...
I don't see ANY cat pictures on Facebook! Man, what a ripoff! Facebook is the worst site EVER. Why, why, why? LMFAO



here you go... it's from the new GPO-5: Garrikitten Personal Orchestra


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   Posted 11/10/2013 6:00 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Seven times nine lives is only 63 bit. LOVE the cat pict! Should be Finale's new splash screen. Speaking of which, I kind of liked the pictures of musicians they used to use. Or maybe it's something in my system that is preventing the pictures in the splash screen from showing?

Anyone know where the "Smug" preferences are to be found, or is that only on PCs... ☺ j/k my PC friends. j/k...


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   Posted 11/10/2013 7:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Off topic nonsens is more counterproductive than a negative first post (which, if you had cared to read the thread is NOT his first post) and there are quite a few "ridiculously melodramatic, over-the-top, bitching" posts since. Please people, if you want to fool around, create a separate thread, or better: a separate board, for your bantering. Make it a private thread or board, because your sense of humour is certainly not shared by all.
Can we now return to the problems reported? Thank you.


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   Posted 11/10/2013 7:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
WoM,
You and Marc are gonna be mighty lonely...



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   Posted 11/10/2013 10:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wow, gotta say I'll hold off on this update for several reasons. I was planning on upgrading over the Christmas break, in the middle of too many projects right now & don't want to deal w/ any updating issues. Now, I may wait even longer unless these bugs are resolved.

I seriously thought, be taking an additional year to provide a new version, that Finale was either going to be a major overhaul or at least be released close-to bug free. With beta testers & the additional time there is no excuse for all these bugs. If it wasn't ready for release they should have waited until it was fixed. Minor bugs are to be expected. Perhaps they rushed it to take advantage of the Sibelius debacle.

I'm very pleased w/ some of the new features Finale now has but there certainly could have been more. For now, I'll continue on with 2012...and Snow Leopard....and Logic Pro 9 etc. If it works it works.
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Vaughan said...
Jari's worth his weight in gold!

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Mike Rosen said...
WoM,
You and Marc are gonna be mighty lonely...


All work and no play. No sense of dealing with actual humans or that reading into the humor and o/t comments might provide some insight. No reading innuendo. No idea of subtext. No camaraderie or sense of a larger community with different perspectives than themselves. In short: not a clue.

What a dull existence to even contemplate. It always the very same set of members who, coincidentally, seem to be the ones with the one-off problems unique to their systems or "rare and unique" problems needing to be solved. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

Yes, the blocking feature is very helpful, indeed.


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