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David Ward
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   Posted 9/8/2014 4:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This was so unexpected that I think it worth quoting here. On a recent visit to Glasgow and Edinburgh for various musical events (including seeing the Mariinsky's Les Troyens at the EIF) I rather whimsically gave a very experienced musician a CD of the computer playback of my recently finished 25 minute Divertimento for mixed octet plus the link to a PDF of the score. This musician was for 16 years principal cellist of a major symphony orchestra, before moving back to number 3 or 4, and recently retired as the longest serving member of the orchestra. I expected to have the playback soundly mocked, so was very surprised to receive this response:
cellist said...
The link worked fine, and I've just been listening to your piece. It's great chamber music - full of interest and fun to play, and, as always, coherent and 'followable'. I imagine that a non-specialist audience would easily enjoy a live performance. Congratulations. I wish you success (luck?) with it.
Maybe I'll have to convert myself to taking these playbacks more seriously than my mildly sardonic comments about them on this forum might suggest! I was genuinely astonished by this response, having previously encountered an almost wholly negative and dismissive attitude to these things in the UK. This was a basic GIFF playback with very little in the way of phoney dynamics &c.

I won't press the ensemble who should be playing the piece for an early 'real' recording, as I find some musicians can feel inhibited by the presence of recording equipment and then don't take the risks that really bring a performance to life; but one day …


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   Posted 9/8/2014 5:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As I've said before, and have been outright dismissed on this forum for saying it, I have received MANY compliments and positive comments about my works when I have submitted demos done in Finale. Not all professional musicians have a stick stuck up their nether-regions regarding the use of synthetic recordings as demos.


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   Posted 9/8/2014 6:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And I would expect that quite a number of professional musicians are familiar with and regularly use Finale, and so are probably quite familiar with the utility of Finale Playback, n'est-ce pas?


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   Posted 9/8/2014 7:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's the non-musicians you have to watch out for. about a month ago, I submitted a demo of a big band w/ vocals, and the big band part was still midi and hadn't been recorded yet. The person on the other side that was "approving" the arrangement asked for less organ. When explaining there was no organ, it was fake midi brass, they asked "what's midi?"

Moral of the story, at least musicians understand what limitations you're dealing with!


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   Posted 9/8/2014 7:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wouldn't hesitate to say that your experienced musician wasn't thinking that the Finale playback in any way approached the sound of his major symphony, but was saying, "You know, it's really good enough that my experienced ears can tell what a 'real' performance will sound like."

And that is quite positive.


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   Posted 9/8/2014 7:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You're lucky. At least they didn't ask, "What's brass?"


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   Posted 9/8/2014 8:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
ttw said...
You're lucky. At least they didn't ask, "What's brass?"


Ha ha! I had an experience that almost required this question from the client. It was a theatre piece that I had to write incidental music for, to be prerecorded. The director was very good, simply explaining the drama of the moment, never getting too specific. He was a lighting designer originally, and the LD of this show said that the director never mentioned a specific item once in his briefing, even though he knew enough to do it himself. However, the director said to me "I'd like a big, brassy intro." Key word, brass. I knew what that was. I wrote and recorded a fantastic brass fanfare with timpani. He heard it and said, "Wonderful! But where's the brass?" Blank look from me. "It's almost nothing BUT brass. What did YOU mean?" "You know, kshhh!" He mimed a pair of crash cymbals. Oh yeah, cymbals ARE made of brass, it's true. Fortunately, it was easy to dub cymbals onto the recording, and all was well.

Moral of the story: never assume that because a client uses a piece of jargon that he KNOWS what the jargon means. I have had to learn that lesson over and over again.


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   Posted 9/9/2014 8:01 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think that everything depends on the music you notate in Finale. A baroque piece with harpsichord sounds great. Some of early Penderecki pieces may crash your Finale, even computer.

But it is great to read that some of you people make a very good demo. That is not so easy, as far as I understand. (I don't use MIDI).


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   Posted 9/9/2014 10:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ronwass said...
I wouldn't hesitate to say that your experienced musician wasn't thinking that the Finale playback in any way approached the sound of his major symphony, but was saying, "You know, it's really good enough that my experienced ears can tell what a 'real' performance will sound like."

And that is quite positive.


What you say is very wise. Moreover, it speaks to the character of that musician. The ability for most of humanity to "think outside of the box" is rare in most circles, especially serious music.

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   Posted 9/10/2014 3:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
cellist said...
The link worked fine, and I've just been listening to your piece. It's great chamber music - full of interest and fun to play, and, as always, coherent and 'followable'. I imagine that a non-specialist audience would easily enjoy a live performance. Congratulations. I wish you success (luck?) with it.


I'm not sure where he says anything about the 'quality of the playback'?
But please ignore, because I'm not going down that lane again.


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