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John Ruggero
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   Posted 8/6/2015 7:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When I adjust a beam using the beam angle tool and the secondary beam angle tool in Finale 2014, the original beam position remains visible while the adjustment takes place. (I found the phenomenon difficult to describe, so I hope I have done it successfully. If not, a simple trial will demonstrate.)

I wonder if this is intended to be a helpful feature, or is it a bug? In case, it is a feature, can it be turned off? I find that it makes fine beam adjustments more difficult as the two beams merge into a black mess.


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   Posted 8/6/2015 7:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Try it at a different magnification.



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   Posted 8/6/2015 8:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It is the same in all the zoom percentages I tried, Mike.

I have attached an example what I see, AS I adjust the beam.

It is not like this in Finale 2011. There is only the adjusted beam visible, not the original position as well.


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   Posted 8/6/2015 8:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't know what else to suggest. You might have to boot that one to tech support.



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   Posted 8/6/2015 8:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think this change was made in 2012. I too wish that the earlier behavior would return for exactly the reason you state--for making precise adjustments.


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   Posted 8/6/2015 11:43 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What is then done to get rid of the residual beam?

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   Posted 8/7/2015 5:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It should help to use the arrow keys to nudge the beams instead of using the mouse to drag them. The screen will redraw immediately and you shouldn't get ghost images. With today's faster processors, it shouldn't be any slower to use the arrow keys and it can be more accurate.


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   Posted 8/7/2015 7:56 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks Vaughan, that was the solution. Arrow keys and no more "residual beam", as Zuill termed it.

So is this a bug or a feature?

If this is a ghost image (bug), why is it happening only with these tools? And why didn't it happen in Finale 2011?

Actually, I believe I have seen it happen with dynamics at times. What is going on?


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   Posted 8/7/2015 11:07 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I doubt if it's a feature. MM has tried to increase speed and screen redraw functions and this may be a result. There's still a lot of old code digging its heels in. Fortunately it's not too difficult to get used to using the arrow keys, nor does it interfere with one's workflow.


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   Posted 8/7/2015 11:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That seems like a reasonable explanation, Vaughan. Thanks.


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   Posted 8/7/2015 12:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This must be some issue with the Mac--the Windows version works as expected.


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   Posted 8/7/2015 1:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Looks more and more like a bug. I am glad that someone at MM didn't think that this behavior was helpful.


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   Posted 8/7/2015 1:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's a redraw issue. If you're making precision edits, I don't think it makes any sense to use a mouse in the first place, though.


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   Posted 8/7/2015 2:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan said...
…Fortunately it's not too difficult to get used to using the arrow keys, nor does it interfere with one's workflow.

Flint said...
…If you're making precision edits, I don't think it makes any sense to use a mouse in the first place, though.

For what it is worth, I always use the arrow keys while monitoring the precise beam coordinates in the Message Bar.
Often I need to nudge up/down by precisely one scale step (= 3 Points).

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   Posted 8/7/2015 2:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Flint, I just tested myself and according to the Beam adjustment coordinates at the bottom of the window, I am just as precise by mouse as with the arrow keys; and I am a lot faster by mouse than with the arrow keys. So I would prefer that the program work correctly but will have to put up with the work-around when making fine adjustments. For other beam adjustments, I will continue to adjust by mouse.


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