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mspasov
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   Posted 7/15/2002 10:48 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi!

I am trying to import both 1/8 and 1/4-tone resolution "spectral" chords from Open Music. I set up new Nonstandard Key Signature Libraries for 1/4 (24 steps) and 1/8-tone (48 steps) resolution respectively. However, the imported 1/8 and 1/4-tone resolution chords are not shown accurately.

Please, help.

Miroslav
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   Posted 7/16/2002 8:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Please explain the steps you are following.

Are you exporting from Open Music as a MIDI file, and then importing that MIDI file into Finale?

It might also help if you posted an excerpt of your Finale document.

Peter
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   Posted 7/16/2002 9:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you Peter,

I am using OM's "voice" connected to "finale-export" function. I execute the "finale-export" and immediately activate Finale 2002's "Import from Open Music" plug-in (It is a part of the Composer's Assistant collection). I have no problem when I choose 1/2-tone resolution. The chord is imported with a 100% accuracy.However, it doesn't work with 1/4 and 1/8-tone resolution. NOTE: I have created both 1/4 and 1/8-tone Key Signature libraries and I am always careful not to mess up with them - I check which one is active before I import the data from OM.
I attached one Finale 2002b document.

Thank you again,

Miroslav


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   Posted 7/18/2002 12:51 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Miroslav,


1. Each of the 3 staves has "Key signature" deselected as an independent element in the Staff Attributes. The staves can't display multiple key signatures at the same time, like a key signature with 1/2-tone resolution, a key signature with 1/4-tone resolution, and a key signature with 1/8-tone resolution.


2. The 8 measures with entries have the following key signatures:

Measure 1 & 2: 1/4-tone resolution (Linear Key Format 2)

Measure 3-8: 1/8-tone resolution (Linear Key Format 3)

Hence, it's impossible to have 1/8-tone resolution with correct display in staff 3, measure 1 & 2.

I don't know how the "Import From OpenMusic" plugin works.
Perhaps there was no need for 1/8-tone resolution in the first two measures?
The document displays the natural harmonics (overtones), and the first two measures show the first 8 harmonics.


3. The 1/4-tone resolution key signature (Linear Key Format 2) has some errors in the Symbol List dialog box (Symbol List ID # 1):

List Element 8 has "Alter Amount" 0. The "Alter Amount" should be 3 (= 3/4-tone sharp).
List Element 10 has "Alter Amount" 0. It should be -2 (= 2/4-tone flat).
List Element 12 has "Alter Amount" 0. It should be 2 (= 2/4-tone sharp).
List Element 23 has "Alter Amount" 1. It should be -1 (= 1/4-tone flat).
List Element 31 has "Alter Amount" 2. It should be 3 (= 3/4-tone sharp).

There are 37 List Elements, of which many contain nothing. I wonder why.
It seems to me that it would be sufficient with 7 List Elements:
3/4 flat, 2/4 flat, 1/4 flat, natural, 1/4 sharp, 2/4 sharp, 3/4 sharp

And those 7 elements are exactly what I found in Symbol List for the 1/8-tone resolution key signature (Linear Key Format 3).
Too bad that you need 15 elements in 1/8-tone resolution...


4. As the next test I switched to Mass Mover Tool, selected measure 1 & 2, and used the Respell Notes utility. This action repaired the display of harmonic # 7 in measure 2. But of course, it is still too high.


5. When I repeated step 4 on measure 3-8, Finale quitted without warning. Obviously there is a bug in this section of the Finale program code.
And perhaps there is something wrong with the "Import From OpenMusic" plugin too.


Peter
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   Posted 7/19/2002 10:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dear Peter,
Thank you for the detailed study of my document. I did everything you 've suggested, but without any success. Today I installed the new Fin 2003. Open Music's folder contains two Finale templates - 1/4 and 1/8 tone. I tried again and no success. Here is the original 1/8 template and the result. As you can see, all the details regarding the Nonstandard Key Signature seem correct. However, the result shows 1/2-tone resolution. There might me something wrong with the Plug-in.
Thank you for everything.
Miroslav
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   Posted 7/19/2002 12:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Miroslav,

I have ordered Finale 2003 today (by "snail mail"), so I can't open your latest attachment yet.

You wrote: "...However, the result shows 1/2-tone resolution. There might me something wrong with the Plug-in..."

I am not sure I understand. How was your first attachment (OPEN MUSIC import.mus) supposed to look, if everything were OK?

Should the 3 examples be identical (= displaying as the 1/2-tone resolution)?

Or should they be different (because 1/4-tone resolution can get closer to the correct sounding intervals of harmonics, and 1/8-tone resolution can get even closer)?

Peter
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   Posted 7/20/2002 5:59 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Peter,
unfortunately I have only the 2003 version on my computer so I cannot post the example. The 1/2-tone resolution example was correct. It showed the harmonic partials (Fundamental C) with a correct 1/2-tone accidentals. The other two, 1/4 and 1/8-tone examples would have showed the harmonic partials (Fundamental C) with 1/4 and 1/8-tone precision (resolution). For example: the seventh partial in 1/2-tone resolution is Bb. However, the same partial in 1/4-tone resolution would be B quarter-tone low and in 1/8 resolution would be B eight-tone low. The 1/8-tone resolution is closer to the natural seventh partial- a little lower than Bb. This amount is best represented by the 1/8-tone resolution - 1/8 tone lower than Bb.

I will post the "three resolutions" in a couple of days - they will be done manually.

Thank you,
Miroslav
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