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Dr. Wiggy
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   Posted 1/18/2016 10:27 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just bought myself an iPad (finally), so trying out what it can in terms of music. I've got ForScore, which seems to be THE score reading app. But I also have a copy of Finale's iOS app. Anyone tried that of late? I've heard that it doesn't work so well on iOS 9?

I'm also giving NotateMeNow and SmartScore NoteReader a test; as well as Symphony Pro and Notion. Will let you know how I get on, but if anyone has any recommendations/tips, do please share.


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   Posted 1/18/2016 11:11 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Finale iOS app is dead. They have given no indication that it will be revived.

ForScore is to replace your binders full of sheet music. I love it.

NoteReader is fun, but I haven't found it to be very practical. Read this:

https://techinmusiced.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/smartscore-notereader-is-available-how-does-it-compare/

I (occasionally) play with Notion on the iPad, but I really don't have much use for it.

Enjoy the iPad!



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   Posted 1/18/2016 11:20 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wiggy,

Which iPad did you get? The iPad Plus with the Apple Pencil looks very interesting -- but very expensive.

Bill


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   Posted 1/18/2016 11:40 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Along these lines, I need to get one of those bluetooth page-turner pedals. Can anyone recommend a model, or steer me away from one that is a dud?

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   Posted 1/18/2016 2:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bill Stevens said...
Which iPad did you get? The iPad Plus with the Apple Pencil looks very interesting -- but very expensive.

I got the Mini 4, with 64GB, Wifi only.


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   Posted 1/18/2016 2:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A couple of observations. I use ForScore for conducting shows; even with repeats, DS, etc. it can be set up to function flawlessly. I also use it when playing gigs, realizing that I just sometimes need a lead sheet for chords on the tunes we play. I almost pulled the trigger on an iPad Pro when it came out, thinking I would like the extra screen size. The price, however, caused me to go back to the 3rd generation iPad that I have used for several years on stage. If you are old enough to remember the Kalmus study scores and could conduct from them, then you should have no problem with the conventional iPad. The Finale songbook app that Mike mentions is no longer available or supported, but I keep my copy on my tablet in case I want to look at a .mus score downloaded from Dropbox.

As for the bluetooth pedal question. I purchased a Cicada pedal and tried using it for page turns in classical music. My problem with it is that it gives me one more thing to think about and sometimes causes train wrecks a bar or so before a page turn because I'm thinking about that instead of my playing. Also, it presents another factor when you have a repeat. If you have to go back more than one page, you lose your concentration trying to remember how many times to push it. I think if you are a guitar player or organist you may already have the chops to use one without a problem. But for me, I find it a distraction.

YMMV


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   Posted 1/18/2016 10:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wiggy said...
Bill Stevens said...
Which iPad did you get? The iPad Plus with the Apple Pencil looks very interesting -- but very expensive.

I got the Mini 4, with 64GB, Wifi only.


Unless you've got really good eyes, the Mini won't be much good for ForScore.



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   Posted 1/19/2016 2:51 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tried it out with some PDF scores in the shop, and it looks good enough. I think I'll only be using it for perusal, not performance.


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   Posted 1/19/2016 12:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You've got better eyes than me, then! I'm aiming for an iPad Pro, as soon as I can afford it...



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   Posted 1/19/2016 1:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can see perfectly. Why, I can see that pin down there. Let me come with you!


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   Posted 1/19/2016 2:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
You've got better eyes than me, then! I'm aiming for an iPad Pro, as soon as I can afford it...

Mike,

Like you. I've been thinking about the Pro. But it is expensive. With the Air, I see how you can use that while singing, because you're holding it maybe 18" from your face. But what's your opinion on reading the Air from a music stand, about 30-36" away?

JT


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   Posted 1/20/2016 12:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It wouldn't work for me, plain and simple. For others, it would depend on their eyesight, lighting conditions, and other factors. Is this for a first reading runthrough, or just "reminders" for a score you know well?

Can you borrow one? Or, take a music stand into the store with you and try it. In an Apple Store, I suspect they would let you load a PDF of a music doc, or find one online.



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   Posted 1/22/2016 1:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I bought an iPad Pro and it's excellent, especially when you're reading a lot of sixteenth notes. As far as the bluetooth page turner I bought an Airturn Duo and it's also excellent.


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   Posted 1/22/2016 7:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
After a bit more time with it:

I'm using Symphony Pro, which is not a bad notation enter-er. It can export to MusicXML. Still a bit fiddly to place notes with your finger, but it does have a piano keyboard. Notion also similar. Neither as fast as SimpleEntry!

ForScore is very good and practical for musicians: even only as a "binder" PDF holder, plus annotations. Haven't really explored the more complex elements, like adding beats to pages and having it tap them out, which is a bit more work, but great functionality.


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   Posted 1/22/2016 1:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
John Iafrate said...
I bought an iPad Pro and it's excellent, especially when you're reading a lot of sixteenth notes. As far as the bluetooth page turner I bought an Airturn Duo and it's also excellent.


You're not helping (my budget!) :p :p

Wiggy, you might want to try a stylus. Much better than fingertips!



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   Posted 1/24/2016 11:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry Mike...


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   Posted 1/25/2016 11:47 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What GB size does everyone recommend? The 32GB iPad Pro is a lot more affordable but I don't know how that translates to actual use.

I've got about 400-500 songs (leadsheets) that I would need to use in ForScore. And maybe 60 or so music CD's. No Movies, No games.

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   Posted 1/25/2016 12:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That should be alright: you can of course supplement the hilt in storage with iCloud Drive, Dropbox, etc, etc, only loading a selection of files on board even you need it.


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   Posted 1/25/2016 2:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
32GB is plenty. I have close to 400 pieces in ForScore, and the app and data take up less than 1 gig. As long as you don't do movies, there is plenty of room for everything.



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   Posted 1/25/2016 3:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Have you seen this?

http://www.henle.de/blog/en/2016/01/25/“henle-library”-app-redefining-sheet-music/
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   Posted 1/25/2016 4:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
JoSePa said...
Have you seen this?

http://www.henle.de/blog/en/2016/01/25/“henle-library”-app-redefining-sheet-music/


Wow! Nice set of features! Of course, entirely based on reading music (except for the built-in metronome) but still, very impressive.


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   Posted 1/26/2016 4:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not entirely based on reading music:
'And of course we also have something for those of you who want to use the app when playing: First of all, there’s a professional metronome. Secondly, you can record and listen to yourself. But that’s not all, you can listen to yourself playing the original tempo but you can also speed up or slow down the recording – the original pitch is preserved – and if you want, in a continuous loop. Just imagine all of the possibilities there are for teaching or self-study!'


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   Posted 1/26/2016 4:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is indeed impressive and I wouldn't be surprised if other publishers tried to follow suit. It would certainly make it worthwhile to invest in an iPad [pro] with internet and a bluetooth page turn foot pedal...


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   Posted 1/26/2016 1:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wiggy: "I can see perfectly. Why, I can see that pin down there. Let me come with you!"

Donald Pleasence in "The Great Escape?" the Forger, who was now blind! Am I the only one that got that? Or does nobody care?

btw; Steve McQueen movies aside, interesting discussion about iPads and foot pedal/page turners. I played with another guitarist who was quite adept with the foot pedal page turner. He used a regular size iPad for the music, (a composition of mine, in fact) which I found to be microscopic to try and read. I stuck with paper, but if anyone here thinks the Pro makes it readable for a gentleman "of a certain age," I might experiment with it. After all, don't want to wind up like Donald Pleasence.


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   Posted 1/26/2016 1:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Very impressive! Not much use to me, since I'm neither a performer or musicologist, but really neat!



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