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   Posted 4/7/2016 4:07 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello everyone.
I have done enormous amount of scores using the Simple Entry. One of the reasons was because it is not easy to do this kind of scores in any other tools (spatial scores etc.).
However, I need now to use the Speedy Entry, for some easier scores.
How do you use it?

I see this: I play note on the MIDI keyboard to get the pitch, and I tap numbers to get value;, if not MIDI pressed down, the rest is created.

Can I use it in the following way: keep the keyboard numbers down for the same rhythm, and play on the MIDI keyboard.
I find it a bit strange to press/depress numerous times for the same rhythm.

Thanks.


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   Posted 4/7/2016 4:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You can't do that, but if you turn the CapsLock on, you can press 4 for example and then play a bunch of eighth notes. To enter a rest while in this mode, you can play a cluster of three adjacent notes, e.g. C+C#+D. If you also press Ctrl-3 you can enter a bunch of triplets.


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   Posted 4/7/2016 4:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Personally, I've done a custom set-up where the lowest octave of the MIDI keyboard is used to specify rhythms. So I can either hold down the eighth-note key and play a bunch of pitches, or hold down a pitch and play a bunch of different rhythms. This is a Windows-only solution, I'm afraid, and requires third-party software. I wish MM would implement something like this--it's very fast. In the meantime, though, CapsLock should help.


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   Posted 4/8/2016 1:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OCTO. said...
However, I need now to use the Speedy Entry, for some easier scores.

You mean Simple Entry isn't simple enough? :p

I would say that if you're accustomed to Simple Entry, then just use that. There are, I think, about three things that can be done in Speedy Entry but not in Simple Entry. Not sure what they are. smilewinkgrin

OCTO. said...
Can I use it in the following way: keep the keyboard numbers down for the same rhythm, and play on the MIDI keyboard.

You can do that in Simple Entry. Select the note value with the numpad, and then play the notes on the MIDI keyboard. Great if you've got long runs of semiquavers.


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   Posted 4/8/2016 2:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I confess I've been using Finale for 24 years and I've never used the Simple Entry tool. I'm a MIDI/Speedy Entry guy. Maybe I should try it.


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   Posted 4/8/2016 3:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wiggy said...
OCTO. said...
However, I need now to use the Speedy Entry, for some easier scores.

You mean Simple Entry isn't simple enough? :p

I would say that if you're accustomed to Simple Entry, then just use that. There are, I think, about three things that can be done in Speedy Entry but not in Simple Entry. Not sure what they are. smilewinkgrin


The problem I face is that I have got injured for a while ago, so I cannot click for a long time. Playing on the piano is OK.
I was injured by a deadline in Finale. 2002. The problems still persist.

Wiggy said...

OCTO. said...
Can I use it in the following way: keep the keyboard numbers down for the same rhythm, and play on the MIDI keyboard.

You can do that in Simple Entry. Select the note value with the numpad, and then play the notes on the MIDI keyboard. Great if you've got long runs of semiquavers.

WOW!! That is what I need, Thank you Wiggy - again, again!!

p.s. I'v never understood Speedy.


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OCTO. said...
The problem I face is that I have got injured for a while ago, so I cannot click for a long time. Playing on the piano is OK.
I was injured by a deadline in Finale. 2002. The problems still persist.

Learn the keystrokes. Once I've clicked in measure and got the Simple Entry 'caret', I never touch the mouse/pointer again. I move between staves and enter all notes using keyboard commands.


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   Posted 4/8/2016 11:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OCTO. said...

Wiggy said...

OCTO. said...
Can I use it in the following way: keep the keyboard numbers down for the same rhythm, and play on the MIDI keyboard.

You can do that in Simple Entry. Select the note value with the numpad, and then play the notes on the MIDI keyboard. Great if you've got long runs of semiquavers.

WOW!! That is what I need, Thank you Wiggy - again, again!!

Since you say you've done enormous numbers of scores in Simple Entry I'm surprised this is news to you. Have you been using the mouse to select semiquavers or whatever?

I used to get repetitive strain injury (rotator cuff tendonitis) using a mouse until I switched to a trackball. You still need to click, but eliminating the arm movement has helped a lot.


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   Posted 4/8/2016 12:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The numberpad allows selection of duration, augmentation dots, flats, sharps, tuplets, and rests. No need for the mouse.



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   Posted 4/8/2016 1:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I highly recommend the tutorial document “EntryExercises”.
The document reveals many of the secrets in Simple Entry.

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   Posted 4/8/2016 3:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...

Since you say you've done enormous numbers of scores in Simple Entry I'm surprised this is news to you. Have you been using the mouse to select semiquavers or whatever?

As Mike has mentioned, I extensively use keyboard shortcuts, both as metatools, Finale's shortcuts and OS X program dedicated shortcuts. I never click on the icons, even not the main Tool.
Also the same is with the menu selections or execution of plug-ins, everything via keyboard.


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   Posted 4/9/2016 10:30 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I guess I don't understand then how you could have used Simple entry extensively and not have known you could tap a 4 on the keypad and then play a string of eighth notes. How have you been doing that instead?


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Motet said...
I guess I don't understand then how you could have used Simple entry extensively and not have known you could tap a 4 on the keypad and then play a string of eighth notes. How have you been doing that instead?

Sorry, but you misinterpret me constantly.
I extensively use the keyboard shortcuts, that I have said. I haven't said I used MID keyboard.

So, back to your question above, it is easy to understand if you never used MIDI keyboard with Finale. I have really NEVER used before MIDI keyboard with Finale, and I have, well.. a good reason for that.
I use shortcuts/metatools instead.
Now, I will just copy some texturally easier–, non-microtonal–, without custom key signature–, and without nested tuplets–, and non-spatial–music; so I would like to learn how to use MIDI keyboard that would fit my needs.


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   Posted 4/11/2016 11:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I didn't get that you're switching to MIDI for the first time, but I understand now. Any time you were pressing A-G in Simple Entry you can now press a MIDI key instead. The advantage is you can enter several notes of a chord at once rather than adding them in as with the QWERTY keys, and you enter an accidental just by playing in rather than adding it to a note in the key signature (though those things will continue to work as well).


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