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sakbut39
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  		   Posted 5/11/2016 1:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi all, I'm a new to forum member, but read it a lot.
MM had helped with workarounds for this, but has not solved the problem.
I have a piece that starts in 12/8, with dotted quarter = 80. Later in the piece I change to 4/4, with quarter = 80 (i.e the beat remains the same).
This works fine for new pieces or using MM workarounds - for a while; but later (hours/next day) it is not there.
The playback seems to ignore the change from dotted quarter to quarter, and plays back at 120.
One thing I did not realize until recently (and thus was not mentioned to MM) is that if I start the playback some where with the 4/4 section, the playback is correct.
Any thoughts about a fix?

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  		   Posted 5/11/2016 2:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sounds like you might have some MIDI data in the score. If you want, we can check the file for you to see what the cause might be.

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  		   Posted 5/11/2016 4:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
All the data was entered manually, with no midi device connected.

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Zuill
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  		   Posted 5/11/2016 4:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since files should behave according to the settings, we probably can't help without seeing exactly what is being done. It sounds like something is interfering.

Zuill

P.S.: What is unsettling is that it works for a while, then stops working. When I hear that, I wonder what changed. That is probably what we need to find. The hidden artifact that caused the sudden change in what was initially proper playback tempo.

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  		   Posted 5/11/2016 5:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here's a sample file. Does this do what you want?

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 1:03 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When you change a tempo marking make sure you click on the tab for Playback then set it as shown in my screen shot. The default is not like this.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 1:07 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I prefer to manually set the tempo because I am not sure the text is interpreted correctly. That is, how does Finale distinguish between quarter and dotted quarter by the text? I just don't trust it.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 4:38 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
On my system Finale fills in 'quarter note =' in the field, regardless of the length of the note I've entered in the tempo marking. The number gets filled in correctly but I always have to change the note value manually if it's something besides a quarter note.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 5:07 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan said...
On my system Finale fills in 'quarter note =' in the field, regardless of the length of the note I've entered in the tempo marking. The number gets filled in correctly but I always have to change the note value manually if it's something besides a quarter note.
How odd!

Mine (so far) is always correct with the note length from my tempo marking (including numerous changes and specified tempo relationships) automatically used by Finale in this field without any manual assistance from me.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 7:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan said...
On my system Finale fills in 'quarter note =' in the field, regardless of the length of the note I've entered in the tempo marking. The number gets filled in correctly but I always have to change the note value manually if it's something besides a quarter note.

I would check what the Category Designer has for your Music Font for Tempo Marks, and make sure that you have that font installed. The default is Engraver Text , which has been prone to all sorts of troubles for years. If you can find another font to use, so much the better.

I have created my own "Maestro Extras" font, which I use for Tempo Marks note values, as well as alternate characters (e.g. square bracket accidentals) in the same character slots.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 12:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
I prefer to manually set the tempo because I am not sure the text is interpreted correctly. That is, how does Finale distinguish between quarter and dotted quarter by the text? I just don't trust it.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but when you create or edit a tempo mark there's an Insert Note button which has both quarter and dotted quarter choices, so it's unambiguous. At least, I've never had a problem with it.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 2:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You might be right, but there have been times in the past when Finale struggled with interpreting the text (at least for me). Possibly it is font related. So, better safe than sorry.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 4:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Given the Insert choices, and the fact that it's built into the expression definition rather than interpreted by HP, I'd be surprised if fonts were relevant, but it's possible, I guess. You can check on what it thinks it's supposed to do by looking at the Playback tab. With "Match playback to metronome marking text" checked, the note value and metronome marking are grayed out, but they track changes made to the definition anyway. For me, it's handy because if you decide to change the tempo, there's no possibility of forgetting to change it in both places.

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  		   Posted 5/13/2016 4:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When you use the MIDI Tool to set a tempo, it automatically considers the Time Signature as to the base value. So, with 12/8 as 4 dotted quarters, it makes the dotted quarter to basis for the tempo. That can have its advantages, but potentially its disadvantages.

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