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   Posted 7/23/2016 11:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Two questions:

1. Is there a way to move rests vertically and NOT allow them to move horizontally at the same time? I can't figure out any way to nudge them, so I have to move them "by hand", which inevitably allows them also to move horizontally, which I don't want at all.

2. Recently (? or maybe this is always how it has been), I have an expression--a dynamic, for example--in the perfect place, except that it needs to be nudged to the left a little. So I nudge it to the left, and suddenly it jumps up a half inch or so, or a half inch below--anything but a tiny nudge to the left. And then that means I have to start over in terms of placing it by hand. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?

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   Posted 7/23/2016 11:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
1) If you're using the Speedy tool, press Shift before you drag it. That will force its movement to vertical.

2) Not sure about this. You're reworking older files, right? What happens if you redraw the screen (Command/D) after it jumps? Does it jump back, and does it show the leftward nudge? You might have to limp around on this a bit, because the alternatives (swapping out expressions, clearing out positioning) might be more work.

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   Posted 7/23/2016 11:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thank you, N. Yes, I continue to edit older scores. Eventually I will catch up and not have to keep dealing with these ancient problems.

1. Thanks! I never knew that, and it's so easy.

2. I'll experiment with this. Unfortunately--well, fortunately, in reality--this doesn't always happen, so it's hard to recreate on command. It seems to have something to do with the expression attaching to a different note than I had originally attached it to.

I appreciate your help!

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   Posted 7/23/2016 12:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There are both MM's Move Rests plug-in and JWChange which you might find helpful moving rests.

Your dynamic may indeed be jumping to the next or previous note, as you surmise. If you click on it you'll see a dotted line showing which note it's anchored to. See if this changes after the nudge. If you hold down the Alt key on Windows as you nudge*, this won't happen. Someone will chime in with the Mac equivalent.

*Edit: Alt seems to keep dragging with the mouse from changing notes, but not nudging with the arrow keys, alas.


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   Posted 7/23/2016 2:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As far as moving rests, I find this easier in Simple. Once the rest is selected the arrow keys work easily to move the rest.

As far as expressions, it could be that you have the option to snap to the grid. If so, that might be part of the problem.

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   Posted 7/23/2016 2:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
MCarlson said...


2. I'll experiment with this. Unfortunately--well, fortunately, in reality--this doesn't always happen, so it's hard to recreate on command. It seems to have something to do with the expression attaching to a different note than I had originally attached it to.

Mark


Ah ha! Yes, if the little blue dotted line switches affiliations, anything can happen next. To keep the blue affiliation line securely attached to the note it is presently tied to, hold the alt key down while you drag/nudge.


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   Posted 7/23/2016 2:59 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Christopher Smith said...
To keep the blue affiliation line securely attached to the note it is presently tied to, hold the alt key down while you drag/nudge.

I said...
Alt seems to keep dragging with the mouse from changing notes, but not nudging with the arrow keys, alas.

(At least on Windows.)


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   Posted 7/23/2016 3:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There's an option in Finale preferences which you can either tick or not which may be relevant.


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   Posted 7/23/2016 4:09 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah, good. On Windows, Alt doesn't disable the setting either way when nudging, but works when dragging. Must be a bug.


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   Posted 7/23/2016 6:46 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Holding down the option key on a Mac will disable that jumping effect while dragging (but it doesn't work while nudging).

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   Posted 7/24/2016 12:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David Ward, that does the trick--at least on a cursory test. Many thanks!


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   Posted 7/25/2016 3:39 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
When you move an expression the point where it's attached will shift with it. If there is a note where it was attached and not where you move it to (for example) that will cause a vertical jump. To prevent it attaching to a different part of the staff when you move it, hold the alt key when you drag it. That will anchor it to the place it's attached to.


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   Posted 7/25/2016 4:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Depending on your preferences!


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   Posted 7/29/2016 5:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
As far as moving rests, I find this easier in Simple. Once the rest is selected the arrow keys work easily to move the rest.

As far as expressions, it could be that you have the option to snap to the grid. If so, that might be part of the problem.

Zuill


I agree. I also use simple entry and find that using the arrows is easier.
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   Posted 7/29/2016 7:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David Ward - get screen shot - never knew it even existed (the one you indicated).


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   Posted 7/30/2016 11:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
Christopher Smith said...
To keep the blue affiliation line securely attached to the note it is presently tied to, hold the alt key down while you drag/nudge.


Oh, Thanks! That is nice to know! (learned something today).


In Finale 2009, I would find that when I had a slur over a tied note, and the slur and tied go to the first note, that the slur was a little too close to the tie. I can select the slur and manual pull the slur away from the note. It also works using the arrow keys, but some times, when I use the arrow key it causes the slur to go haywire. Sometimes, not every time. Sort of a bug. Has anyone notice this happening in the more recent version of Finale?


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   Posted 7/31/2016 4:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes. I believe that that bug has been around since Engraver Slurs and is still present in 2014(.5). Sometimes trying to nudge slurs invokes an 'opposite' bug: the slur will freeze and no longer responds to the arrow keys and has to be moved manually.


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