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Date Joined Jun 2006
Total Posts : 2378
| Posted 8/23/2016 6:54 PM (GMT -6) |
|I'm done here. I'll still lurk with questions and comments about versions of Finale prior to F25 and help when I can, but as far as future updates to Finale, I am done.|
I have paid for every update since 1996 when I started using the program and have really enjoyed using it. The results have been used at the Olympics, in multiple scores for the Chicago Symphony, Harvard Pops, The Academy of Motion Pictures, the Library of Congress, the National Archives, Turner Classic Movies, and countless other venues over the past twenty years.
When I score for real musicians, I start and end in Finale and never touch my DAW. That includes my work for film. I write the notes, start to finish and everything in between, in Finale. It is the fastest and most efficient way for me to compose to picture - or at least, it was.
The loss of the MOVIE WINDOW was the deal breaker for me. For one, it simply DOES NOT WORK. Audio from Finale is not successfully passed thru to the DAW (Digital Performer). The audio appears on the DP meters as an "instrument" and I can see the VU meter in DP responding, but no audio is present.
Even if that could be fixed, the connection between the apps is otherwise lost. Finale stops scrolling after a few minutes and that ends the usefulness of that session. Restarting Finale regains the connection but it is soon lost again.
And that's not the worst of it! Once you link via Rewire, there is no playback possible in Finale when you are actually IN Finale. As long as the DAW is running, Finale plays back NOTHING. One has to quit the DAW and Finale and then launch Finale w/o the DAW running to get anywhere in F25. As long as the DAW has an audio track with the Finale output as the source, Finale no longer will playback ANYTHING.
Then there is the logistics problem. Even if this convoluted system worked, one is still required to move between apps to accomplish a simple task - playback to picture, which all recent version of Finale did flawlessly.
One can only guess at the motivation for removing the window, but I suspect it is a cost cutting measure. Since the app was rewritten for this release, perhaps it was not cost effective to have that code be redone if MM could simply "job the video out" via Rewire. I'm only guessing, but whatever the rationale, this composer will not be updating to ANY version of Finale that retains that method. I'll just stick with F2014.5 and that's where the road ends, at least at this point. It simply makes no logical sense to have to jump between programs to run a simple quicktime movie. Add to that the dysfunction of the Rewire implementation and there is really nothing to be done until MM restores the MOVIE WINDOW.
While you're at it, you might want to also restore OCR via TIFF imports. The excuse for removing that was, quite frankly, not believable. Again, I suspect it was a matter of not wanting to have to rewrite that code in the new version. F2014.4 does the job just fine.
I will be requesting a refund for the dysfunction and crippled F25 update and cannot recommend the application to anyone seriously scoring to picture.
This is a very sad day for me.
Os X 10.11.5
Mac Pro (2013) 32GB RAM;
MOTU Track 16
Finale 2014.5; Digital Performer 9.1
MIDI Life Crisis
Post Edited (Michael Mortilla) : 8/25/2016 10:49:57 AM (GMT-5)
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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883
| Posted 8/23/2016 7:25 PM (GMT -6) |
Even Sibelius is in consideration of dropping their movie window. I suspect it may have more to do with available movie players to integrate than anything else.
The non support and eventual death of quicktime by Apple is the excuse Avid/Sibelius is giving.
Finale 2010b, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5 TGTools Pro, Patterson plugins, JW plugins (current for each Finale Instalation)
Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.4.2, Write Score Sound Sets, TMT Publisher Bundle Plugins, Bob Zawalich plugins, Dolet 6.6
Print Music 2004, 2010a, 2011a, 2014a
Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3, Notion 4, [Notion 5, (bought but not installed)update finally installed]
Pro Tools 9.5, Reaper
GPO4, GPO5, World Instruments
SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro, PhotoScore Ultimate 6 & 7 & 8.04 ( 7 has some utility----best of those available, 8 has some issues that need fixing)
M-Audio "Oxygen 25" Midi input keyboard (recent addition 2014)
Systems (5) // Windows XP Pro (32bit), [email protected] Windows 7 Pro, 8.1 Pro, Windows 10 64 bit, 4GB - 16GB RAM
Paper & Pencil
BMus, MM (Musicology)
Post Edited (Ralph L. Bowers Jr.) : 8/23/2016 7:36:57 PM (GMT-5)
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Date Joined Aug 2003
Total Posts : 2232
| Posted 8/24/2016 6:14 AM (GMT -6) |
|Rewire support should have been an additional feature (useful for those who are familiar with DAWs) and the Video window should not have been taken away, because, as Michael says, many of us who prefer an 'integrated" workflow, just within Finale.|
Finale 2014.5, 2014d, 2012c (main), 2011c, 2010b, 2009b, MacOsX 10.9.5, Mac Mini Intel Core i7 2,7 Ghz, 16 Go Ram, French azerty kb, Dolet 6. Full TGTools. MOTU Audio Express, 3 monitors.
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Early music: modern methods
Date Joined Jun 2006
Total Posts : 12628
| Posted 8/24/2016 7:43 AM (GMT -6) |
|Film scoring is not something I know anything about, but I do find the current situation puzzling. As I've said elsewhere, I did ask MM in the beta-testing phase whether the switch to ReWire and the removal of the Video Window would be seen as a positive thing for those who do this kind of work, given that there had been problems with the Movie Window in earlier versions that caused quite a lot of anger. |
MM regularly uses film composers in its marketing material: on the Finale FaceBook page, there is currently a link to Bill Brown's latest blog post. (No mention of Finale there, however.)
If the ReWire feature does indeed provide the function that film composers need, then MM needs to provide detailed instructions for how to use it.
usermanuals.finalemusic.com/FinaleMac/Content/Finale/ReWire.htm These would seem to be fairly basic and don't seem to address the finer points of how to use it for film scoring.
If it doesn't provide the features that film composers need, then MM needs to acknowledge that.
If the DAW doesn't have a Video Window either, then something would seem to be lost.
If Finale doesn't provide you with want you need, then walking away from the product is entirely understandable: but I hope there is something that can replace it. One would have thought that the film scoring community would be sizeable enough, or sizeably wealthy enough, for music software developers to pander to.
"This is me helping."
Finale v.25, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6)
Edirol FA-66; Roland A-49, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
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