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   Posted 10/22/2016 4:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have a song in Common time. Halfway through, it goes to Cut. The text notes read, In strict 2(alla breve; but do not push the basic unit beat), and a graphic, quarter note = half note.

Does this mean that the time we previously gave to the quarter, we now give to the half? So, in effect, this section is twice as fast? If I had a tempo mark at the beginning of q=80, I should put one in with q=120, or h=80, so Finale changes the tempo?

Never did understand this... smurf



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   Posted 10/22/2016 4:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The quarter note = half note graphic does mean that the new beat is assigned to a half note. The actual speed of the music doesn't speed up; the notation speeds up. I suppose it would be clearer to just put the cut time section in 2/4 and use shorter note values. This would indicate the "in two" as opposed to "in four" feel.

Your comment of q=80 to h=80 is correct. (The 120 ought to be a 160.) The basic pulse is now a half note.

I also find it confusing to make this type of change. I guess there are historical preferences, sort of like writing tangos or rags in 2/4 with the eighth note as the pulse.


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   Posted 10/22/2016 4:50 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, yes and yes.

The cut time would be (q=160; h=80).

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   Posted 10/22/2016 5:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, guys. Blame the math error on a brain bubble...



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   Posted 10/22/2016 6:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If you are going double-speed, you should change the time signature to 2/4 and notate accordingly, not cut.

Going to cut time should be used to indicate a faster passage, true, but to use it when you want exact double-time is confusing.


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   Posted 10/23/2016 8:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike,
I'm entering from a published score, to create learning tracks for the singers. I want to make sure the tempo is correct on playback.



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   Posted 10/26/2016 3:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think when it says " but do not push the basic unit beat," it means don't be a slave to the notation, but rather follow the actual music. That should be understood anyway, right?

Best of luck with that.


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   Posted 10/27/2016 10:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't think there are any "should"s when it comes to which meter to use. I'm reminded that Mozart sometimes wrote 4/4 for music to be taken in 2, and cut time for music to be taken in 4.


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