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esossai
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Posted 10/24/2016 8:49 PM (GMT -5)

Hi, I am using finale 2014 and for the first time i tried importing a score from a TIFF files. The import worked quite well and for some perfectly, however i am just finding a small difficulty when i need to do a few corrections.

Because the score i imported are all in the two voices per staff, sometimes i need to correct just the SOPRANO or ALTO part but i realized that when imported the parts were not placed into different layers, so whenever i double click one note it actually select both parts. see image attached as an example.

How i can make the parts for SOPRANO, ALTO, TENOR AND BASS to be each one if its layers ?

Any help really appreciated.

Finale 2014.5 on OS X 10.10.5

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Motet
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Posted 10/24/2016 8:56 PM (GMT -5)

The JW Staff Polyphony plug-in may be able to do that. See http://www.finaletips.nu/.

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Zuill
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Posted 10/24/2016 8:57 PM (GMT -5)

Both notes can be in the same layer and you can correct just one of the notes. Or, after the fact, you can split the notes into 2 layers.

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esossai
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Posted 10/24/2016 9:17 PM (GMT -5)

Zuill said...
Both notes can be in the same layer and you can correct just one of the notes. Or, after the fact, you can split the notes into 2 layers.

Zuill

Hi, I tried correcting just one note but it always select both notes together. How would I do that? Or better yet, could you explain to me how would I be able to split them into 2 layers?

Finale 2014.5 on OS X 10.10.5

Rebecca Oswald
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Posted 10/24/2016 9:32 PM (GMT -5)

Selection tool > Select one staff or a measure range.
Utilities > Explode Music. Split into 2 staves.
Selection tool > Select the staff that has the lower notes.
Edit > Move/Copy Layers > layer 1 to layer 2.
Make any necessary corrections.
If you want to re-merge the two staves onto one:
Selection tool > Select the staves you want to merge.
Utilities > Implode Music. Be sure to check the Quantization settings in that dialogue box.

I hope that helps.

Rebecca

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esossai
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Posted 10/24/2016 10:36 PM (GMT -5)

Rebecca Oswald said...
Selection tool > Select one staff or a measure range.
Utilities > Explode Music. Split into 2 staves.
Selection tool > Select the staff that has the lower notes.
Edit > Move/Copy Layers > layer 1 to layer 2.
Make any necessary corrections.
If you want to re-merge the two staves onto one:
Selection tool > Select the staves you want to merge.
Utilities > Implode Music. Be sure to check the Quantization settings in that dialogue box.

I hope that helps.

Rebecca

Hello Rebecca
It indeed helped a lot and I believe I did or almost. I wasnt 100℅ sure only on the merging them back together and what to do with the quantization part you mention to be sure to check. I did not have a check but a who!e "quant optikns" dialog with a lot of option I wasnt sure what to do there.

Sorry my low level knowledge here.

Finale 2014.5 on OS X 10.10.5

Mike Rosen
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Posted 10/25/2016 11:13 AM (GMT -5)

If I understand the question, you want to change only one note of a pair on a stem. Double click on the notes. As you found, they will both be selected. Now, using CMD+(up or down arrow) you can select either of them.

If I misunderstand, I apologize.

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Mike Halloran
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Posted 10/25/2016 11:21 AM (GMT -5)

You can also go to Tools/Simple Entry/Repitch to select the note you want.

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esossai
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Posted 10/25/2016 3:54 PM (GMT -5)

These last two seems also to be a simple way for me to select the individual notes, but if i want to make that selection to "grab" all notes on the bottom part so i can move them to a different layer would that be possible using this method?

See, my issue besides doing small fixing on some notes that did not imported correctly is that the import also added the SOPRANO and ALTO parts on the same stem and on the same layer and i need them separated on each correct voice. Same issue happened on the TENOR and BASS voices. Therefore if i can move all the bottom notes on the TREBLE and BASS clefs to be on a separated layer then it will also help me to make small corrections on individual notes.

Finale 2014.5 on OS X 10.10.5

Mike Rosen
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Posted 10/25/2016 7:11 PM (GMT -5)

This is easiest to do in scroll view. Do the work, and then paste it back into the original format.

Split the notes with Utilities>Explode Music… Let it create new staves.

Change the lower staff from layer 1 to layer 2.

Rejoin the staves into one with Utilities>Implode Music…

Post Edited (Mike Rosen) : 10/25/2016 6:24:57 PM (GMT-5)

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esossai
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Posted 10/25/2016 9:40 PM (GMT -5)

Hello Mike and thank you. I was able to perform the operation and successfully split the notes, move them to a 2nd layer and then implode them into the new staff as you can see on the image, however i noticed that when i was fixing the staff that the second measure is wrong when the import brought it in and i dont know how to fix it.

If you see the image you will notice that the second measure has more notes than it should and the next measure bar is on the wrong place. It should be right after that haf note but its not... how can i fix that?

I thought that it would respect the 4/4 time signature but maybe the import is causing this.

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esossai
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Posted 10/25/2016 10:31 PM (GMT -5)

Hi, I believe i manage to get the measure with the wrong # of beats fixed. I just went to the time signature tool and ask to re-do the 4/4 again on the entire piece and it correct the measures, however the third measure turned our really weird.

If you see the first image where it shows the original score from which i scanned you will notice that the third measure really only finishes on the second system and when finale fixed the measures it would not do the same and the notes endup being outside of the score as you can see on image 2. really weird stuff and no clue how to fix that.

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Mike Rosen
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Posted 10/26/2016 9:46 AM (GMT -5)

Scanning can introduce strange, unseen artifacts. Making corrections is part of the process.

That's why I recommend using a full-featured music scanning program, rather than the "lite" version that comes packaged with Finale (2014.5 and older.) Corrections are often easier there.

In your example, it's easy to see that some barlines were not picked up by the scan. You will need to use the time signature tool to correctly "rebreak" those measures. The split measure is a special case. Sometimes, the easiest way to fix things is to delete the notes (sometimes, even a couple of measures) and reenter them. Then, use the split measure plugin to reformat.

The more you know about scanning and corrections, the better off you are. While it is a great way to get (most of) the notes into Finale, you have to know when to cut your losses and just enter the notes. But don't believe the people who will tell you that scanning is worthless!

esossai
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Posted 10/26/2016 11:16 AM (GMT -5)

Mike Rosen said...
Scanning can introduce strange, unseen artifacts. Making corrections is part of the process.

That's why I recommend using a full-featured music scanning program, rather than the "lite" version that comes packaged with Finale (2014.5 and older.) Corrections are often easier there.

In your example, it's easy to see that some barlines were not picked up by the scan. You will need to use the time signature tool to correctly "rebreak" those measures. The split measure is a special case. Sometimes, the easiest way to fix things is to delete the notes (sometimes, even a couple of measures) and reenter them. Then, use the split measure plugin to reformat.

The more you know about scanning and corrections, the better off you are. While it is a great way to get (most of) the notes into Finale, you have to know when to cut your losses and just enter the notes. But don't believe the people who will tell you that scanning is worthless!

Thank you Mike... i agree. You get a bulk of the work done but it will required some fixing which i am willing to do as the scan brought in more than 80% correct which i would have to do it all... so YES is well worth it. I just lack the knowledge on how to make some of these corrections but like you said maybe just deleting and entering them again would be the easiest.

Is the split measure plugin something you need to buy?

Finale 2014.5 on OS X 10.10.5

Mike Rosen
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Posted 10/26/2016 11:45 AM (GMT -5)

Already in Finale.

Plug-ins>Measures>Split Measure…

If you do a lot of scanning, consider SmartScore Pro. As a Finale owner, you can get it for half price, about $200. It's another program to learn, but it really does make the corrections easier and more efficient. I believe they have a 30-day trial.

esossai
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Posted 10/30/2016 10:41 PM (GMT -5)

I found a way. I just merged the two parts together and then I split them again and it did the trick. Thank you all for helping.

Finale 2014.5 on OS X 10.10.5

MikeHalloran
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Posted 10/30/2016 11:36 PM (GMT -5)

Mike Rosen said...
Already in Finale.

Plug-ins>Measures>Split Measure…

If you do a lot of scanning, consider SmartScore Pro. As a Finale owner, you can get it for half price, about $200. It's another program to learn, but it really does make the corrections easier and more efficient. I believe they have a 30-day trial.

+1 on SmartScore X2 Pro.

It is designed to work with a Finale but also supports MusicXML 3. Unlike the "Lite" version, it supports lyrics and a much greater range of expressions.

The down side is that the instructions are way out of date. Ignore the nonsense about TWAIN drivers (not supported since OS 10.5) and HP all-in-ones. On the Mac, use Image Capture and you'll be fine.

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