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Bret Boulon
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   Posted 10/27/2016 11:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello

I have these lines beginning with text that I use intensively in a score.

They appear fine in scroll view.
But in page view -and as a consequence- in print, they appear with a very large gap between text and the beginning of the line.

I'm stuck with this and I really have to print and send all this score very soon now.
Any ideas ??

MM ??

Bret
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Motet
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   Posted 10/27/2016 11:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Attach a file containing the shape and we'll puzzle it out, but in scroll view it looks like music spacing has not been applied.


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   Posted 10/27/2016 12:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Music spacing in scroll now applied but no difference.

I have more than 50 shapes like this.
An the score is 282 pages for 1600 bars (film music)

This happens when you have both a staff reduction (70 % in this case)
and a page reduction : 45% in this case.

I'm in trouble.

Brest

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Motet
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   Posted 10/27/2016 12:35 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think you're right that it's related to staff and page reductions. It looks to me like it computes the start of the line based on some fixed scaling and then attaches it to a note, which is why the start of your line is anchored on beat 3.

Terrible!

It might be that it uses the scaling in the Page Format settings, since you've rescaled things independent of that. But of course the way it should work is to just start the stated amount after the text.


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   Posted 10/27/2016 6:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I believe this is a longstanding issue. I may be wrong.

Zuill


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   Posted 10/27/2016 8:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There is a workaround: Create a duplicate of the line to be used for the reduced staff. A bit of experimenting should give you the setup that works.

Zuill

P.S.: Once created for Page View, at the given staff or page reduction, realize that it won't look right in Scroll View. That won't matter, as that is not the final layout for printing. Now, if the reduction in the parts is different, which it might well be, then you would need to create a separate file for the proper adjustments for the printed parts. This is a workaround.


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Post Edited (Zuill) : 10/27/2016 8:40:11 PM (GMT-5)

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   Posted 10/27/2016 10:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That is correct. Only Zuill's solution helps.

This happens when you use reduced staff (for instance Violin + Piano).
If you don't need reduced staff, than reduce everything by using smaller staff size.




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   Posted 10/28/2016 2:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
done...
pff.
had to find settings for every one of them because the length of the text had an impact..

Hated it.
Definitely on the "to be fixed" bug list
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   Posted 10/28/2016 8:18 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
I think you're right that it's related to staff and page reductions. It looks to me like it computes the start of the line based on some fixed scaling and then attaches it to a note, which is why the start of your line is anchored on beat 3.

Terrible!

It might be that it uses the scaling in the Page Format settings, since you've rescaled things independent of that. But of course the way it should work is to just start the stated amount after the text.


Nailed it. I agree that it is egregious. There are many items like this, including positioning of repeat texts, positioning of graphics, etc., that give inconsistent results based on staff reductions. I will certainly complain about this. I had just accepted it on my usual staff reductions of 85%, but obviously it won't fly when staves get smaller than that.


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