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OCTO.
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   Posted 11/15/2016 12:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Personally, not wishing to be cynic, rather with a dose of humor to point in the right direction. I myself dislike cynism very much, and reading texts can't reveal one's attitude. OK, here is a smile :)
And of course, I am thankful to Finale for many scores I produced (some despite of numerous obstacles).

Here I want to HELP MakeMusic.

I am not looking at Dorico, I have Sibelius but I don't use it.

I can't program, what should I do?




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Knut
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   Posted 11/14/2016 5:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Writer of Music said...
OCTO. said...
… I wish MM to fix these instead of implementing some new Tibetan instruments.


And that's what I've been requesting for decades. Ain't gonna happen. It's far more lucrative for a commercial company to always leave a number of bugs unfixed, so we'll all keep buying the next upgrade, only to find a similar number of bugs unfixed.


I hadn't been on this forum regularly for quite a while until the threads on Dorico in the last few weeks. It might just be my imagination, but I've detected a considerable increase in cynicism and, seemingly, defensiveness from certain forum members. Considering the state of Finale and MakeMusic in the last few years, this is certainly understandable, and MakeMusic should take a note of this. Hopefully future versions will promote more healthy attitudes.

Then again, as I said, it might just be me imagining things. :-)


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   Posted 11/14/2016 11:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OCTO. said...
… I wish MM to fix these instead of implementing some new Tibetan instruments.


And that's what I've been requesting for decades. Ain't gonna happen. It's far more lucrative for a commercial company to always leave a number of bugs unfixed, so we'll all keep buying the next upgrade, only to find a similar number of bugs unfixed.


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   Posted 11/14/2016 10:50 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I knew someone was going to ask that! At the moment, Dorico is still functioning under the assumption that spacing can be automated and, as a result, horizontal shifts affecting spacing can't yet be done, although they're looking into implementing this soon. Having said this, there may very well be a setting which determines the minimum amount of space after an augmentation dot, but I haven't dug that deeply yet. I'm planning to post that example on the Dorico forum and see what they say.


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   Posted 11/14/2016 8:32 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vaughan said...
For what it's worth, this is how Dorico version 1.0 deals with it using its default settings (most which can be adjusted considerably). Not perfect (augmentation dot in bar 2 too close to the eighth after it) but a lot better, including default stem lengths. Even the position of the rests is determined by the context and not by a one-size-fits-all algorithm (Document Options/Layers/Adjust floating rests by...). You're right, MM really needs to address this.


How do you fix the spacing in the second bar with Dorico? Just curious.

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   Posted 11/14/2016 8:22 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For what it's worth, this is how Dorico version 1.0 deals with it using its default settings (most which can be adjusted considerably). Not perfect (augmentation dot in bar 2 too close to the eighth after it) but a lot better, including default stem lengths. Even the position of the rests is determined by the context and not by a one-size-fits-all algorithm (Document Options/Layers/Adjust floating rests by...). You're right, MM really needs to address this.


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   Posted 11/14/2016 7:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I too find this one frustrating.


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   Posted 11/14/2016 6:59 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ye.s I would expect spacing to be the same unless they've listed it as a fix.


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OCTO.
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   Posted 11/14/2016 6:29 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No.
Do you get the same in v25?




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   Posted 11/14/2016 5:48 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Have you reported it?


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OCTO.
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   Posted 11/14/2016 5:02 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Another ridiculous spacing "defect". I wish MM to fix these instead of implementing some new Tibetan instruments.
Automatic spacing ON.




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