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Hector Pascal
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   Posted 11/21/2016 1:23 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In my score, I am noticing that the default flat symbols are a bit too tall, i.e.: when they appear under a beam in the middle of a semiquaver passage, for example, the top of the flat symbol collides with the beams.

As far as I can tell, this is the default behaviour. (I haven't tinkered under the hood). As a work around, I raise the beam a bit so that it clears the top of the flat symbol.

Is it possible to avoid the collisions in the first place?

Cheers,
Hector Pascal.
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   Posted 11/21/2016 2:07 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What music font are you using for the flats?

Peter


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   Posted 11/21/2016 4:07 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Peter,

I am using Maestro font, my choice I made when I used the setup wizard.

The "long" left hand side vertical line of the flat symbol actually looks quite nice, I guess it's more of a default beam height issue. It's most pronounced when I have a melodic figure such as:

Treble Clef: Ab (below middle C) up a tone to Bb and up a tone to Db (all semiquavers). It's the Db where the flat hits the beam.

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HP.
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   Posted 11/21/2016 6:27 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Could you post some screenshots of examples, or a sample document?

Here's what looks like on my default file:


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   Posted 11/21/2016 7:17 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Wiggy,


EDIT: Screenshots attached...

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   Posted 11/21/2016 7:19 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here's a couple more examples:

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   Posted 11/21/2016 7:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Would I have caused some of these collisions by using one of those fancy beaming plugins? (French beams, anyone?) I can't remember if I used that sort of feature, but there's a chance I may have found such a plugin and used it on this score at some stage... I cannot recall...

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   Posted 11/21/2016 9:14 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think you've definitely got different beam settings, or applied some plug-in. I don't get anything like yours, even after applying Patterson beams.


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   Posted 11/21/2016 9:26 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hector Pascal said...
Would I have caused some of these collisions by using one of those fancy beaming plugins? (French beams, anyone?) I can't remember if I used that sort of feature, but there's a chance I may have found such a plugin and used it on this score at some stage... I cannot recall...

Hector.


Yes, you have French Beams in your example. In French Beams, the inner stems on beamed groups do not extend to the primary (eighth) beam. Worthless, as far as I'm concerned, unless you are trying to duplicate an engraving that uses this odd convention.

The picture below shows Finale's default beaming. If you want to see what your file looks like at the default, make a copy and run "Clear Selected Items - Stem and Beam Adjustments".

N.


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   Posted 11/21/2016 1:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In general, stems should be at least an octave tall.


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   Posted 11/21/2016 2:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In the posted sample where the flat stem crosses the beam, it is due to a setting not being checked. If you select to allow a primary beam within a space, the conflict doesn't arise.

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   Posted 11/21/2016 7:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks! With all your help, I've got the beams looking better. (I had run the Patterson Beams Lite plugin sometime ago and had selected French beams thinking it would give my score a certain ... Je ne sais pas... . Anyway, I've managed to revisit the plugin and remove the French beams by running the remove function. I also had to uncheck a minimum angle that I had specified without knowing what I was doing).

So, I think I am back to default settings..

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Cheers,
Hector.

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   Posted 11/21/2016 8:02 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PS: Thanks, N., for the tip re: "Clear Selected Items - Stem and Beam Adjustments". That has completely solved the problem :)
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