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Zuill
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   Posted 1/1/2017 10:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Let's get at least one post in this thread on this old forum in the new year.

Happy New Year!

Zuill


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   Posted 12/23/2016 2:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dan and Gary,
Come join us at finaleforum.com.



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   Posted 12/23/2016 11:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I am not on Facebook, and will absolutely never be there, or on any other type of social media.

Add me to the long list of users who think that this is about as bad an idea ever to come from MakeMusic.


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   Posted 12/21/2016 9:27 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is such a sad mistake. I'm going to the Finale Forum - lotsa familiar names, though a different interface.

One thing I love about the long history of this forum - and my long participation in it - is the ability to dig up very old posts of mine and contribute solutions. I've been planning a long update to a midi thread I started in the late spring - to share 6 months of intensive investigation and learning on the mysteries of Human Playback and the midi tool (which neither the Finale user manual nor Finale tech support is very good at addressing). The idea that this will just be a closed archive is a shame.


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Ebony Ivory
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   Posted 12/21/2016 7:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
My main comments are also on the Windows side, but let me just repeat one very important point:

Right now, you have ALL your users in ONE place: do you REALLY think it's a good idea to disperse them amongst, QUOTE: "These include Facebook, SHSU, Twitter, Yahoo and various other forums and blogs"?

Scatter your userbase to the world? Sorry, old boy, but this is CRAZY.

Brian


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   Posted 12/14/2016 6:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't know. I couldn't find a way.

Maybe we need to trade e-mails before it's too late.



Mike Rosen
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Zuill
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   Posted 12/14/2016 2:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wonder, when this forum is locked, if we can still send PMs.

Zuill


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John Iafrate
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   Posted 12/12/2016 10:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree with Zuill. It's decorative instead of functional. That's what's frustrating on Apple's website as well.


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Zuill
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   Posted 12/11/2016 4:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I thought I had joined the Finaleforum moderated by Mike and Peter, but I couldn't see that I had. So I did. It is hard on my eyes as well (like the MakeMusic new forum) as it doesn't have clearly defined borders around things, so the ads sort of run into the posts. But there are many other features that work well. I wanted to change my user name, but couldn't find a way or a faq about it. Here, my login name is one thing, and my user name another, but not on the Finaleforum. Oh well. It looks like I might migrate to that one. I find the new MakeMusic forum somewhat juvenile. Quite limited. Probably designed for those who grew up using all the "eye candy" needed to keep ones attention when ones attention span is short.

Zuill


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   Posted 12/8/2016 10:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As well as Ron's forum at www.composeforums.com and OCTO.'s at www.notat.io/

There are options. Vote with your feet.



Mike Rosen
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Finale 2014.5 on El Capitan
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"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."

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   Posted 12/8/2016 6:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen has invited us to join him and Peter Thomsen at Finaleforum.com.


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   Posted 12/8/2016 4:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Is there any chance to move all the content of this forum to some safe place and run it independently of those "brains" from MM?
Just asking.

I found many times solution here when MM Support could not find it and I am really frustrated to loose this great opportunity to find an answer, often in the middle of the night and within a minute.


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John Iafrate
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   Posted 12/8/2016 2:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think MM doesn't get the reality of this forum

Adam,
You need to listen and stop thinking for us. We don't need someone to tell us what we need, we already know but no one is listening.
We use this forum for our work which translates into how we make our living and you don't. You do not use this forum the same way that we do and yet you're trying to tell us how to work instead of giving us what we need.


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   Posted 12/7/2016 3:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
Short term, I doubt it will matter. People aren't going to switch programs because of this.


MM's decision concerning this forum is a symptom of an illness, and it will be the illness itself that may cause many to switch.


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   Posted 12/7/2016 11:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Greetings,

This forum has been an invaluable source of knowledge and help in my work with Finale. There will be a credit of thanks to forum members (general only for the sake of privacy) when the project I am working on is done.

I am opposed to the closing of this forum. I believe MM is making a serious mistake.

It is also interesting that they choose to spend time on THIS, when they could do so much to improve their product and remove bugs. I respectfully suggest that this is an issue of 'style over substance'. Thus, I think the reason might be found in how 'old fashioned' this forum is. As J. Barzun said somewhere "Who would wear their grandmother's hat?"

Sadly, if the hat works, then to get rid of it when there is still rain is not wise. Since Finale is a very difficult programme to learn, since there are numerous bugs, since there are things that need to be done that seem to require undocumented work-arounds and since MM does not have the resources to answer these questions promptly, access to this forum is only way to effectively (that is, at a high level) use the programme. It depends on the kindness of others -- something that is in great abundance here. As well, absolute newbies are often welcomed and assisted as they start the vertical ascent learning curve of Finale.

Further, MM does not realize the value of this forum. Instead of pictures of quaint people 'doing' stuff with Finale in their promotions and ads, the company could draw attention to the remarkable number of master musicians, engravers, and editors who inhabit this zone. These are the people who prove the value of the product in the profession.

Second, Finale would also do well to closely monitor these posts and make EVERY effort to correct problems, simplify programme processes and take suggestions for new features and enhancements. I do not believe they do this as a high priority.

MM is alienating its most devoted user base. Sad.

All best wishes,

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   Posted 12/7/2016 10:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mike Rosen said...
Short term, I doubt it will matter. People aren't going to switch programs because of this.


I'm not so sure about that. I for one would have switched to another notation program long ago if it weren't for being able to rely on the experienced, knowledgeable and speedy answers, most of the time not restricted to a one dimensional answer, but several solutions, from different angels with pros and cons discussed.
This is not a merit of MakeMusic, who after all only incited me to consider switching to another program in the first place by neglecting to fix numerous bugs. It's solely the merit of the community and in particular of a number of people who spent a huge amount of time on this board to help others.
When this community disintegrates and one has to scan the web for any help at all, 25 will be the last disappointing version of Finale I have bought.

Mike Rosen said...
Long term, it will hurt them. It's pretty obvious that the majority of this village aren't going to migrate to the new forum. New users will feel the lack the most, because the "customer success" team hasn't got nearly the experience and background that the rest of us bring to the table.


I think that new customers will feel the loss the least, because they wil not know any better. They haven't grown accustomed to, nay: dependant on this community.


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   Posted 12/6/2016 8:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Short term, I doubt it will matter. People aren't going to switch programs because of this.

Long term, it will hurt them. It's pretty obvious that the majority of this village aren't going to migrate to the new forum. New users will feel the lack the most, because the "customer success" team hasn't got nearly the experience and background that the rest of us bring to the table.



Mike Rosen
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   Posted 12/6/2016 6:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
David Ward said...
Zuill said...
… … Bottom line: is your goal to drive us long time users and gurus away? If so, you have succeeded.
In my case along with several other users to www.finaleforum.com/ (and also OCTO's notat.io/ for more specialist notation/engraving questions and discussions).

This has not been handled well. No serious attempt at conciliation, no sufficiently convincing explanation as to why this forum must close, and no provision by MM of an adequately viable alternative: instead just a brick wall of refusing to listen. Why?


Because they can. How many will stop using Finale?


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   Posted 12/6/2016 5:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Zuill said...
… … Bottom line: is your goal to drive us long time users and gurus away? If so, you have succeeded.
In my case along with several other users to www.finaleforum.com/ (and also OCTO's notat.io/ for more specialist notation/engraving questions and discussions).

This has not been handled well. No serious attempt at conciliation, no sufficiently convincing explanation as to why this forum must close, and no provision by MM of an adequately viable alternative: instead just a brick wall of refusing to listen. Why?


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   Posted 12/6/2016 4:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good point--what's the hurry, given that the alternative currently sucks?


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Zuill
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   Posted 12/6/2016 4:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So, why don't you wait to close this forum until you can duplicate all the necessary features? If it is anything like waiting for bug fixes in Finale, I'm fearful we'll be waiting for quite some time.

Bottom line: is your goal to drive us long time users and gurus away? If so, you have succeeded.

Zuill


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   Posted 12/6/2016 4:17 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi Everyone,

Some of the functionality requests mentioned previously do exist in the new platform, so I'll take a moment to outline those features:

- Ability to add/edit a user profile: While the capability is not as robust, there is a 'Description' field that can be edited to include any personal information you'd like. This can be accomplished by navigating to 'My Profile': http://www.screencast.com/t/8QNZ6rWiC and then selecting 'Edit Profile'. You'll see your description information listed beneath your name: http://screencast.com/t/dhQifiyf0a

- Easily spot your own contributions: You'll find a list of your contributions (public community posts) and any previous support tickets listed in the 'My Profile' section.

- Searching on a poster's name: While you can't do a direct search for a posters name, we'll be enabling the ability to view another user's profile. This will include the ability to see their previous public posts and even subscribe to be notified wen they've made a new post.

- Getting a newly updated thread back to the top of the list in order to maintain relevancy: While the new platform doesn't explicitly do this, we will be enabling the ability to follow a specific thread so that you can be notified when an update is made.

I recognize that there are many other specific pieces of functionality not listed above that are important to this group. While the new community doesn't currently offer each feature requested so far, it's my goal to continually improve the interface to make it a worthwhile tool for you. Realistically, a portion of that progress is dependent upon feature development by ZenDesk itself and we'll continue to push them to widen the breadth of their options as well.
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   Posted 12/5/2016 5:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Customizable look is also available here. I use the one that is easier on my eyes. It is called finalemusic. It looks better then the makemusic style.

Zuill


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   Posted 12/5/2016 5:04 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The aim of that (incomplete) list was to point out some of the functionalities which are available in this forum and are lost in the new one. There are many...


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   Posted 12/5/2016 1:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That's a good list, though I don't think polls are very useful.


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