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Mike Halloran
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Date Joined Jun 2009
Total Posts : 105
| Posted 12/5/2016 2:38 PM (GMT -5) |   | michelp said...Adam W. said...
There's been some consistent feedback that the design of the new platform is a bit clunky and difficult to navigate and use. To begin, can you help me better understand some specific design elements you'd change to improve the overall flow (Wider margins, a Mac-specific section etc.)? Adam, As a point of departure, just list the things you can do here (in this "antique" forum) and that you cannot do in the new forum. I'm not referring to "wider margins" ! The new forum will only attract us if it offers as much or better functionality. A few examples : • a user profile is a must (Version of Finale, OS) • a signature with those data, immediately visible • sub sections (Mac, PC, and why not : basic questions, graphical/visual, audio, plug-ins) • more attachement formats (Finale files, mp3, mp4...) • an answered thread should come back to the TOP of the list, not disappear down the list • read/unread postings • a way to easily spot our own contributions • possibility to delete a post completely, not only erasing its content • search on a poster's name (his posts) • number of members • who is on-line ? • polls • + see other members remarks I'm still trying to be positive, but on your side, please open your eyes. If the idea to centralize things means losing the contributions made by your professional users, MakeMusic will be the final loser. Ask yourself the question why the new forum is so quiet...
In short: The new forum is terrible for all of the reasons mentioned above. I am someone who is active on it.
Mike Halloran
Finale 25.1 & 2014.5, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.0.7
2010 iMac 2.93G i7 Quad w/ OWC eSATA mod, 20G RAM, OS 10.12.1, 2T SSD
DP 9.1, 8.07, 7.24, Logic Pro X 10.2.4, DSP-Quattro, PSP, IK, NI, Eventide, Izotope & Antares plugins
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bvstudios
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Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 156
| Posted 12/5/2016 12:28 AM (GMT -5) | | If I may be so bold, but perhaps we could all consider sending our notes direct to the source? We are all pretty much in agreement here, but it may have more effect if we sent our sentinments directly to Adam and Co via PM.
Just my Sunday thoughts.
K M Frye
Finale 2014.5, PM 2011, 2010, 2007, 2005, 2003, 2000
GPO4, WORLD, JABB3
M-Audio, Boss JS8, Roland VSC-55 Sound Canvas, Rhodes 660 workstation, Roland MC-50 composer (yeh- it's old, but it works if you can find the floppies), Reaper 4.32
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SF
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Date Joined Dec 2001
Total Posts : 1555
| Posted 12/5/2016 12:09 AM (GMT -5) | | I understand why they are moving/consolidating the forums. I would suggest moving over but supplementing it with the oldest and most detailed forum that forced MM to create a forum in the first place. The forum that provided Tobias input to create TGTools. /lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale It's still "old school" based on emails but the discussions can be quite detailed. Mostly pro people but a variety of skills and everyone is extremely helpful. Enjoy.
SF
MPB 17" 3Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 8GB, 10.6.8 and 10.11.6
MacPro (mid 2010) 2.8 Ghz Qual-Core Intel Xeon, 16GB, 10.8.5, 10.11.6, 10.12 Three 27" Apple Displays
Finale 2.6.3-->25, Sib. 3.0-->7.5, Logic X, QuicKeys 4.0.7, DoubleCommand DoubleCommand, Mouse Locator Mouse Locator | | Back to Top | |
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Messy Piano
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Date Joined May 2006
Total Posts : 67
| Posted 12/4/2016 11:37 AM (GMT -5) | | | Please don't shut this forum down! You have something very special here that few companies can say they have, and I don't think your marketing department appreciates it. I've been reading it for years and if it were not for the help from this forum, I probably would not be a Finale user. Please reconsider! | | Back to Top | |
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Mike Rosen
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Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 12/3/2016 4:14 PM (GMT -5) | | | |
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Philip.
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Date Joined Aug 2006
Total Posts : 1466
| Posted 12/3/2016 3:35 PM (GMT -5) | | This is a terrific forum because of the accumulated knowledge and the community. The level of detail one can provide is so worthwhile compared to most other help outlets. Finale's quirks, problems, features and tricks go back many years, and so does this forum. I've learned so much from it over the years in a way I can't imagine doing so elsewhere, and hopefully I've contributed a thing or two along the way.
One problem (among others) with locking the forum is that if someone searches for help and finds a relevant thread here, that person won't be able to comment here, and people who have subscribed to the thread who might want to learn more or have relevant info won't be notified, and the discussion will end. That's a real loss of community knowledge.
It's true, the UI of this forum is outdated, and Facebook, Twitter, newer forums etc. are more useful for some people. MakeMusic doesn't have unlimited time to monitor them all, that's understood.
But why not at least allow this forum to live on as a community forum, and state that it is no longer being officially monitored?
Finale 2011c, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
Sibelius 7.5.1, 8.4.2
Logic Pro X
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OS X 10.12.1
32 GB RAM
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Juraj Bartos
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Date Joined Jan 1999
Total Posts : 492
| Posted 12/3/2016 8:51 AM (GMT -5) | | Writer of Music said...
And when push comes to shove we all want/need a place to gather and share knowledge on the software that we (have to) use, so we will go find it in the bowels of a dead cow if necessary.
Yes. Might be. I google the problem and try to find the solution, if this is what MM wants (beside their profit).
Writer of Music said...
Now let's all shut up and pay our annual upgrade fees for unsolved bugs and unwanted 'new features'.
No. If I find out that there is no consistent place where I can see Zuill, Mike Rosen and all those other contributors who helped a lot to MM and all the forum members, I will keep my hardware and software untouched without any upgrade at all.
Juraj Bartos, www.serenaders.sk
Finale 2001-2012c, Finale 2014.5, Finale 25
Tobias Giesen TGTools, Patterson Plugins, Jari Williamsson Plugins
Pro Tools 11.3.1, Waves Platinum, Sibelius 7,
MacBook Pro 15" 2,6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.10.5 (retina with SSD HD)
Korg Micro Key 61/49/25, M-Audio Keystation Mini 32
Finale 2014d, StaffPad
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Juraj Bartos
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Date Joined Jan 1999
Total Posts : 492
| Posted 12/3/2016 7:39 AM (GMT -5) | | This decision is against all those loyal users and contributors. This forum is one of main reasons why I always say that Finale is the best notation software.
Juraj Bartos, www.serenaders.sk
Finale 2001-2012c, Finale 2014.5, Finale 25
Tobias Giesen TGTools, Patterson Plugins, Jari Williamsson Plugins
Pro Tools 11.3.1, Waves Platinum, Sibelius 7,
MacBook Pro 15" 2,6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.10.5 (retina with SSD HD)
Korg Micro Key 61/49/25, M-Audio Keystation Mini 32
Finale 2014d, StaffPad
Microsoft Surface Pro 3 i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Win 10 | | Back to Top | |
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Mike Rosen
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Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 14146
| Posted 12/2/2016 8:02 PM (GMT -5) | | | |
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michelp
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Date Joined Aug 2003
Total Posts : 2232
| Posted 12/2/2016 6:51 PM (GMT -5) | | Adam W. said...
There's been some consistent feedback that the design of the new platform is a bit clunky and difficult to navigate and use. To begin, can you help me better understand some specific design elements you'd change to improve the overall flow (Wider margins, a Mac-specific section etc.)?
Adam,
As a point of departure, just list the things you can do here (in this "antique" forum) and that you cannot do in the new forum. I'm not referring to "wider margins" !
The new forum will only attract us if it offers as much or better functionality.
A few examples :
• a user profile is a must (Version of Finale, OS)
• a signature with those data, immediately visible
• sub sections (Mac, PC, and why not : basic questions, graphical/visual, audio, plug-ins)
• more attachement formats (Finale files, mp3, mp4...)
• an answered thread should come back to the TOP of the list, not disappear down the list
• read/unread postings
• a way to easily spot our own contributions
• possibility to delete a post completely, not only erasing its content
• search on a poster's name (his posts)
• number of members
• who is on-line ?
• polls
• + see other members remarks
I'm still trying to be positive, but on your side, please open your eyes. If the idea to centralize things means losing the contributions made by your professional users, MakeMusic will be the final loser.
Ask yourself the question why the new forum is so quiet...
Michel
Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2012c (main), MacOsX 10.11.6, Mac Mini Intel i7 2,7 Ghz, 16 Go Ram, French azerty kb, Dolet 6. Full TGTools. MOTU Audio Express.Post Edited (michelp) : 12/5/2016 5:50:10 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | |
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Ralph L. Bowers Jr.
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Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 883
| Posted 12/2/2016 5:50 PM (GMT -5) | | Really Adam, really? You don't see the glaring issues with your new forum?
It has been impressed upon you the need fixes for this to become an acceptable means of help for the user base (and for Make Music's standing in the community). This is being ignored and quite frankly akin to a slap in the face to the long time very knowledgeable users that have helped make Make Music's status what it is today.
Just look at the new forum, read through the replys and number thereof and tell us honestly that this is acceptable?
If you believe so.....well there it is.....and this member will seek out to help and be helped on other boards.
Finale 2010b, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, Version 25.1; TGTools Pro, Patterson plugins, JW plugins (current for each Finale Instalation)
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Print Music 2004, 2010a, 2011a, 2014a
Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3, Notion 4, Notion 5 (Notion 5 not really any better than 4, [Notion 6 (bought but not installed)]
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Kontakt 5
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Adam W.
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Date Joined Aug 2008
Total Posts : 54
| Posted 12/2/2016 5:32 PM (GMT -5) | | Hi All,
I wanted to jump back in and thank you for the feedback and to clarify the purpose of migrating to the new community platform.
Centralizing our existing knowledge base and community makes the breadth of answers in both mediums available in one location for all of our customers. The extensive knowledge and experience that the members of this forum have are critical in driving the content here and it's our hope that you'll find meaningful relationships and participation in the new community as well. The fact is that splitting up conversations amongst two different platforms ultimately makes it more difficult to find relevant information for all of our customers - We want to solve that problem.
The new community isn't necessarily intended to match this existing forum with complete parity. With that said, we want the new platform to have robust functionality and to be an easily-used resource for you. There's been some consistent feedback that the design of the new platform is a bit clunky and difficult to navigate and use. To begin, can you help me better understand some specific design elements you'd change to improve the overall flow (Wider margins, a Mac-specific section etc.)?
I welcome a productive, ongoing conversation from all of you to help us make the new community the best it can be. We'll do our best to make it a functional service, keeping in mind that there will be certain technical limitations.
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Juraj Bartos
Registered Member
Date Joined Jan 1999
Total Posts : 492
| Posted 12/2/2016 5:20 PM (GMT -5) | | I really do not understand those who made this decision.
This forum helped me in last 17 years in many cases more than MakeMusic Support.
I will not upgrade to any further version of Finale if this forum would be stopped, I am pretty sure.
Juraj Bartos, www.serenaders.sk
Finale 2001-2012c, Finale 2014.5, Finale 25
Tobias Giesen TGTools, Patterson Plugins, Jari Williamsson Plugins
Pro Tools 11.3.1, Waves Platinum, Sibelius 7,
MacBook Pro 15" 2,6 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB RAM, Mac OS X 10.10.5 (retina with SSD HD)
Korg Micro Key 61/49/25, M-Audio Keystation Mini 32
Finale 2014d, StaffPad
Microsoft Surface Pro 3 i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Win 10 | | Back to Top | |
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Knut
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Date Joined Jan 2006
Total Posts : 601
| Posted 12/2/2016 1:57 PM (GMT -5) | | This is indeed a bad idea.
One would think that a new forum would at least be as good as this ancient one, but MakeMusic has managed to avoid that, it seems.
Judging from the lack of activity, my guess is that MM is hoping to move the entire user base from here to there. That doesn't seem very likely, however, and personally, I'm betting more on a user driven, unofficial forum as the only viable future option.
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