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N. Grossingink
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   Posted 12/18/2016 7:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sorry, but this demo has a lot of problems. I realize you're probably still in the process of "test driving" the software, so you're dealing with Dorico's default output, which at this stage looks pretty raw.

√ The slurs in m1 are not good. Finale's default is much better:


√ The text in m1 is too big. Should be same size as "cantando".

√ The accidentals on all 16th notes are too close to the preceding note or stem. There is no need for this crowding because the music is not that dense.

√ The dynamics are indeed "optically centered" under the corresponding notehead, which sometimes gives the illusion that the dynamic mark is slightly to the right of center.

I know that Dorico has a long way to go, a year or 2, before all features are implemented and algorithms are smoothed out.

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   Posted 12/18/2016 5:41 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just wanted to update on the 8va issue. I found that while in note input mode, before entering the note, I can invoke 8va - then all the notes I enter stay put. That speeds thins up.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 5:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm not impressed at all with the look of Dorico. Maybe it's just me, but the barlines look far to thick. And what's up with the piano brace? A bit huggy to the left barline for my taste.

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   Posted 12/18/2016 5:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
OCTO. said...
NickG said...
Just wanted to show a sample page 1 of the Nocturne by Samuel Barber I'm testing in Dorico. The only adjustments I had to make is a slight adjustment in the slurs in the 1st measure LH. Please disregard the last 2 measures with the base voice rests that are not hidden. This is a bug that they will fix. I have to say I'm very impressed.


Please post on www.notat.io

Will do.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 5:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wanted to mention that doing this in Dorico required just about no tweaking (aside from my moving things around to test). I think that I would have done a lot more tweaking in Finale. One oddity I encountered was with 8va. I enter the notes as I would like to see them on the page, select the notes. Invoke 8va. And all the selected note shift down an octave. I have to manually shift them back up. Not too happy with that.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 4:44 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I may be being unfair to Schirmer. I guess I'm also influenced by the cheap printing and binding of those yellow editions.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 4:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
Schirmer have never been the finest engravers.


I would disagree with that. In their early days, Schirmer produced very beautiful and particularly warm-looking engraving.

Aside from some problems in this Dorico example that require a bit of user tweaking, I much prefer the overall appearance of Finale using the Maestro font. This looks anemic to me.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 4:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
NickG said...
Just wanted to show a sample page 1 of the Nocturne by Samuel Barber I'm testing in Dorico. The only adjustments I had to make is a slight adjustment in the slurs in the 1st measure LH. Please disregard the last 2 measures with the base voice rests that are not hidden. This is a bug that they will fix. I have to say I'm very impressed.


Please post on www.notat.io




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   Posted 12/18/2016 3:42 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In addition to he other suggestions, I would slide the 8va a few pixels to the right. It looks very good.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 3:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think that kerning feature is overloaded here. Everything is kerned. Not needed actually.




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   Posted 12/18/2016 3:14 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...
Schirmer have never been the finest engravers.


absolutely agree.
though the truly ugliest engraving I have is a International Music Company edition of Prokofieff's 2nd piano concerto, with the most egregious vertical alignment errors I've ever seen.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 2:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Schirmer have never been the finest engravers.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 2:13 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michel R. E. said...
in the original, the mp is much closer to the upper staff, but the cantando is lower (and not touching the barline)

Quite right, I was playing with adjustments so I made those adjustments.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 2:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes! you are correct in your assessments. Dorico did exactly what you suggested. I changed it purposely to exactly copy how it was produced by my old copy of S.Schirmer.


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   Posted 12/18/2016 2:07 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
in the original, the mp is much closer to the upper staff, but the cantando is lower (and not touching the barline)


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   Posted 12/18/2016 2:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Looks very good. I would have dotted the eighth rest in the right hand in the first bar. mp cantando needs to be higher, since I'm assuming it applies to the melody

Can you show what Finale would do by default?


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   Posted 12/18/2016 1:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just wanted to show a sample page 1 of the Nocturne by Samuel Barber I'm testing in Dorico. The only adjustments I had to make is a slight adjustment in the slurs in the 1st measure LH. Please disregard the last 2 measures with the base voice rests that are not hidden. This is a bug that they will fix. I have to say I'm very impressed.


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