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Motet
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  		   Posted 12/26/2016 8:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why are you asking us?

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  		   Posted 12/26/2016 4:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So, why are those annoyances still not fixed?

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  		   Posted 12/26/2016 11:06 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, 64-bit Windows will run 32-bit applications just fine. You must have the right "bit versions" of device drivers though. If your device doesn't have a 64-bit driver than you are out of luck making the device available on your system.

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  		   Posted 12/25/2016 1:15 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As far as I know, Mike, 64-bit Windows will run 32-bit apps just fine. People have been running versions of Finale prior to 25 on 64-bit Windows for some years now. Or is Finale 2005 different in some way?

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 10:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Writer of Music said...
Why do I still have to click the "More Options" button in the Time Signature dialog at least twice before it responds?

Why do I have to click the 'play' button in the Playback Controls window more —often than not— at least twice before it responds?


No idea. Both work fine for me in 25.2.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 10:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Motet said...

By contrast, I still occasionally run Finale 2005 on old files and it works perfectly, despite three major revisions to Windows.

Yea, right... except that, by staying 32 bit, you aren't really running a major revision of Windows. The second you are forced to run 64 bit because some critical app requires it, Finale 2005 will not run without a helper app and/or other tweaks.

That's ok. I keep a WinXP machine and a G4 around that has Finale 1998 (OS 9) and 2002 (OS 10.4.11). Not that I need them — Finale 25.2 opens and runs my oldest files without a problem as long as I'm not trying to view them in Sonata. I still have files in old formats will open on my iMac without conversion on these old machines first.

So it goes.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 9:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't think that Finale has ever followed all the requirements of the Apple Toolkit. 25.2 comes closest.

In the past, this wasn't such a big concern but, as Apple tightens the requirements with every OS release, it becomes more important that MM get with the program. How they do it while retaining all the features is a big problem--no doubt about it.

Making the OS secure is a constant struggle. Older software that doesn't keep up is going to be even more incompatible. We've already seen that. It will surprise me if 2014.5 functions at all in the next release.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 1:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Writer of Music, of course what you're saying is reasonable. I was just providing you an alternative to the major step of moving to some other product. I agree it's far from ideal.

I asked a friend who does audio editing and production on the Mac about this and he said it was a perennial problem with new versions of the OS breaking his software and the vendor having to scramble to make it work with a new version. I suspect it has to do with the complexity of the software as to whether its vulnerable to Apple's changes. MM is I guess guitly of not being able to respond quickly and reliably enough.

By contrast, I still occasionally run Finale 2005 on old files and it works perfectly, despite three major revisions to Windows.

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  		   Posted 12/24/2016 12:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've been very happy with 25.1.
The problems I've had are minor.
Not going anywhere.

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  		   Posted 12/23/2016 7:40 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
They should not sell a Mac version, if they are not capable of producing or even willing to produce a decently working Mac version. Simple as that.

The annoyances I mentioned (and there are many, many more) are not new. They have all been introduced by some previous version, mentioned and discussed here more than once, pointed out to MakeMusic's support centre and totally ignored by the same since. Things that simply don't work, things that are inconsistent throughout the application (text edit dialogs, e.g.), things that contradict what the application claims (constraint dragging doesn't apply to slurs, e.g.), etcetera, etcetera.

MakeMusic is not going to tell me what system I should be working on. I work on a Mac (and have no problem whatsoever with any other piece of software in this respect). I'm not going to install a Windows OS on my Mac to compensate for the incompetence of MakeMusic. If MakeMusic can't deliver for that the Mac, they shouldn't pretend to sell for that platform. If MakeMusic can't deliver for that platform, I'll buy a product that can.

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  		   Posted 12/22/2016 2:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There must be issues with the Mac OS that are not easily addressed, because there are so many problems reported here that the Windows version doesn't have. I imagine the Mac is a moving target since they update the OS often and don't seem to care much about compatibility. You might consider running the Windows version in a virtual machine instead. I think user Octo here does that; perhaps he can say how well that's working out.

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  		   Posted 12/22/2016 12:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Also, clicking on Expressions/Smart Shapes handles, takes multiple tries, and stopping playback, the same.
Since I've been on Sierra I have to double click several times to open folders, tho.
Also, the screen flips around in Scroll all the time, can be very annoying.
Those are my only 2 complaints about 25.1.
Haven't worked up the courage to go to 25.2.

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  		   Posted 12/22/2016 9:37 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why do I still have to click the "More Options" button in the Time Signature dialog at least twice before it responds?

Why do I have to click the 'play' button in the Playback Controls window more —often than not— at least twice before it responds?

Finale 25.2
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