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   Posted 1/27/2004 1:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I see lots of comments and complaints about the F2K04, I for one am elated despite the obvious problems. Here's the things that have made my Finale life much easier:

1) No more OMS setup and struggling with configuring MIDI input - it took me ten seconds to set up my Oxygen 8 to work. That alone was worth the upgrade price.
2) Saving the playback file as audio - that's just an instant demo of my arrangements. wonderful.
3) Classic?? What's Classic??? I've used it for the last time.

The tuplet thing is very frustrating, that tops my list of complaints. But the one thing that should work that doesn't (and that I need desparately) is saving as a PDF file from the Print screen. While my files print perfectly, the PDF has the garbled font thing goin' on...I did Custom Install, did I miss something?
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   Posted 1/27/2004 2:24 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nope-PDF conversion is broken unless it is read in OS X's Preview (rather than Acrobat), which is pretty silly in my opinion since it defeats the purpose of cross-platform PDF development.
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   Posted 1/27/2004 2:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ok, that's incredibly silly. Preview works, eventually and roundabout, but it turns a one-step process into six. Is there any rationale for having PDF conversion dysfunctional, or plans for fixing this?
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   Posted 1/27/2004 5:02 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Strange, Preview worked to open a saved PDF on my first try with no extra steps. I've heard others complain about PDFs so I tried it expecting the same but then it just worked. Don't know why the inconsistency exists, I'm using a 1 GHz 17" Powerbook with 1 GB of RAM but I don't know how performance issues would affect something like this.

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   Posted 1/27/2004 7:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
<<Strange, Preview worked to open a saved PDF on my first try with no extra steps. I've heard others complain about PDFs so I tried it expecting the same but then it just worked. Don't know why the inconsistency exists, I'm using a 1 GHz 17" Powerbook with 1 GB of RAM but I don't know how performance issues would affect something like this.>>

The issue isn't with Preview, but with the fact that Finale PDFs are gorked when opened with Acrobat/Adobe Reader. Given that only OS X users have Preview, this is suboptimal.
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   Posted 1/27/2004 8:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I see. That does suck (but so does Acrobat). Definitely should be addressed in future updates.

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   Posted 1/27/2004 8:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
yes, Acrobat is just TOO slow to open-I rarely use it, and then only when I have to. Wish I could make Preview the default for Finale Help files...
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   Posted 1/27/2004 11:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi,

About PDF files, I found a twisted way to get some results. Print your Fin 2k4 document as PDF, open it in preview and re-print in PDF again. Don't export as PDF in preview... PRINT as PDF. Now, open it in Acrobat "et voilà". But... there is a but...If you have a postscript printer you should print the document as picture (found this option in the print dialog box of acrobat reader). If you have a inkjet printer, just print as usual.

Hope that works for everybody.

Good luck

Louis-Noël
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   Posted 1/28/2004 3:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Re: Finale 2004, I have had no problems with PDFs if I open them in Preview first. I find that after that intial opening, I am able to open them in Acrobat Reader successfully and have emailed them to Windows friends who were also able to open them. Opening PDFs in Acrobat Reader first, the staves and some text appear correctly, but most every thing else (on my systems: iMac 17 inch 800 and Mac G5 Dual Processor 2 GHz) shows up as little white rectangles.
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   Posted 1/28/2004 5:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have had none of the PDF problems that you have described; files create fine, are readable and printable on every platform, in preview, Acrobat & Acrobat reader. For those of you not wanting to deal with Acrobat Reader, there is a little freeware program called PDF-view that allows you to open the PDF using the control key operated contextual menu. Fast and functional. Downloadable from <http://www.pixture.com>.

Good luck

Sebastian Huydts
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   Posted 1/28/2004 6:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, if I save as PDF via the Print dialogue, open in Preview, then print again (as a PDF), it looks better in Acrobat except for string harmonics (which show up as down-bow symbols instead of diamonds). Sebastian Huydts, I'm not sure why you are not having these issues-I'd really love to know why! I already have PDFView and attest to its value, although again, viewing PDFs through the Finder (which is what PDFView does) is no guarantee of cross-platform, cross-application compatability.

Finale Tech Support-your thoughts????
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   Posted 1/29/2004 4:15 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ifolome said...
About PDF files, I found a twisted way to get some results. Print your Fin 2k4 document as PDF, open it in preview and re-print in PDF again.


Confirmed. This works as described, and will have to do as a workaround until we see 2k4b posted (assuming it's fixed, natch... cool)
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   Posted 1/29/2004 3:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i found this way around the save as pdf-problem:

save the finale file as post script: print - output options - save as file - format: post script

the post script file can be easily converted to a pdf-file with macghostwiew, a 7,5 mb 20$ shareware program.
download here:
http://www.kiffe.com/macghostview.html

this program contains a PS-to-PDF converter.
remember to type the correct paper size: after launching the converter, find out about possible options here: edit - info.
then enter the paper size here: options - pdf output - ps2pdf parameters.

good luck, niels
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   Posted 1/31/2004 10:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A late reply to dtoubs' message:

It may make a difference that I have the full version of Adobe Acrobat installed (v.6.0.1).

Anyway, I have created files both via the "create PDF" button and via the Adobe Printer (which you can again select as a "virtual" printer, like in OS9). The files created via Apple's PDF writer are bulkier, but give the same printout quality. I tested the files on a few older macs at school, and at some of the Dell machines, running W98 and various flavors of the later operating systems. So far files opened and created fine.

The files were created on a 667 MHz PBG4, OS10.2.8, using Fin.2004.

If you'd like to see a sample file, let me know. Perhaps there is something I am missing. This is a fairly important issue for me, since I submit most of my work directly to the printers via PDF, with some big submission dates coming up.

Best,

Sebastian Huydts
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   Posted 2/1/2004 12:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, Sebastian. I also am using the full version of Acrobat, but still have to open in Preview, and re-save as PDF. Not a really big deal, but it is an extra step that shouldn't be necessary. Not sure why some are not finding this to be a problem-perhaps it has to do with the fact that my files are currently older Finale files that were updated to 2004?
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   Posted 2/2/2004 3:34 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Folks, sounds like your prefs for pdf files are wrong... I can print to pdf form the osx print dialog without any issues. Try adjusting your pdf file prefs:

1. In FINDER - select any pdf file.
2. get info
3. select "open with" triangle
4. select desired default application - in my case, Adobe Reader 6.0.1
5. "change all..."

Now, all your pdf files will default to using acrobat reader instead of preview.

done. no more complaining.
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   Posted 2/2/2004 8:11 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
dtoub said:

>The issue isn't with Preview, but with the fact that Finale PDFs are gorked when opened with Acrobat/Adobe Reader. Given that only OS X users have Preview, this is suboptimal.

But I thought only OSX users had Fin2k4. What do you mean?

Geoff (confused)


Looking forward to Fin2k4
OS X 10.3.2
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   Posted 2/2/2004 8:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jeremy R: thanks, but it's NOT that many of us have an issue with what app opens up PDF files, and I suspect most people know how to change the preferred application default. The issue is that unless the finale file is saved as a PDF, opened with Preview (NOT acrobat), and only then saved for a second time as a PDF through Preview, the output is useless when opened with Acrobat, full version or otherwise. This has been acknowledged, I believe, as an issue, by MakeMusic.
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   Posted 2/2/2004 9:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This past weekend I had to send a Finale file in PDF form for the first time. I saved as PDF from the Finale print prompt, opened the file in preview, then opened it in Acrobat and it was fine. I didn't have to save in Preview first. Might save some of you and extra step to know that.

David


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   Posted 2/2/2004 11:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i haven't experienced any of the PDF problems, either. i seem to be able to save as PDF from F2004 and view the files in Acrobat just fine.

for the record, the machine i did this on is a G3 iBook, 700MHz, 640MB RAM, running Acrobat Reader 6.0.1 (the one which came on the F2004 install disc).

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   Posted 2/3/2004 10:59 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Mystery deepens! I just submitted all my PDFfiles printed from Fin2004 via Acrobat 6 to Print Services, who use some type of those DELL (rhymes with H*LL) thingies with one of them Windows flavors. Have had no complaints so far. Kidding aside, would love to know why some of us have problems, and some of us don't. In response to dtoub: I too have only older Fin files, updated to 2004. Exactly what do you get the first time you print to PDF? (font-substitution, error-message??)

Sebastian Huydts
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   Posted 2/3/2004 11:44 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sebastian: If I print to PDF and then open in Acrobat, accidentals appear as large rectangles
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   Posted 2/3/2004 6:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just one more bit of information i can add to this thread. This issue (print to PDF) is very important to me; probably 1/3 of my output goes to PDFs for non-Finale users who have to learn parts.

I'm using F2K4 and Adobe Acrobat Professional 6.0.1

Using the workarounds described above, i have been able to successfully create .pdf files. However, it also appears that Windows users must have version 5.0.x or later installed. Reader in version 4 or earlier shows the little squares that make for the enigmatic printouts. As long as the Windows users have version 5.0.x of Reader or later, they can see the .pdf files fine.

I'm glad i found this thread...the pdf mystery was wrecking my week.

Also, FINALE guys, great work on F2K4 for the Mac. At last, and it was worth waiting for. I know the problems will be fixed by and by!

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   Posted 2/5/2004 5:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi,
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>About PDF files, I found a twisted way to get some results. Print your Fin 2k4 document as PDF, open it in preview and re-print in PDF again.
>Confirmed. This works as described, and will have to do as a workaround until we see 2k4b posted (assuming it's fixed, natch... )
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Here is an explanation about all of you who seems to print OR not to print PDF files correctly, neither its printed directly from Acrobat Reader or saved before with "Preview"...

Those having problems printing (from a computer taht does never had Finale installed: i.e.: sending PDF files of your work) in your printing menu, BEFORE hitting "Print" click on the "advance" settings et make sure that the "bitmap" option is check.

Yhose who does not having printing problems, that because, maybe, this option was already enabled.

This makes all the fonts and the "vector" datas print like if you oponed your file photoshop and "flatened" every text layer has if you've paint it.

This function does have a negative "part". It can,t print in a real good resolution (the bitmap thing downsample the fine resolution...) AND it takes ALOT more time to the printer to print, because, alla the pages are sent by the computer in a "kind of" 300 dot per inch square painted file for all of your files instead of a "real" postscript data, that is more reliable accurate and sharp drawings then bitmap.

So, this problem of the postscript file is NOT fixed, but, with this in mind, you still can share PDF files "without" having to have additionnal steps. Just tell the receiver to make this "bitmap printing" check thing.

Finally, those of you who were opening it with the Preview of OSX, making an additionnal save and etc. This was only making the Preview app to "flatten" the PDF completely in a bitmap file. (same results in opening it with Photoshop...)

Hope that my explanation helped some of you seeing that issue more clearly.

Finally, excuse my bad english, it's not my mother tongue...

Still can wait to have this fixed...

Slyc99
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   Posted 2/6/2004 1:19 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi everybody,

I am glad to see that some people don't have any PDF problem. I don't know why but, if it works for them, thank god. I try the other tricks, some works (macps2pdf, genius), some don't (bitmap option check...sorry) I am happy to that my twisted way work fine for some people.

I found an other way (and you will have a real postscript document). Print your F2K4 document, but instead of savind in PDF, in the "output options" select save as postscript file. After open it with preview. It will convert the postscript document in PDF (for Preview). EXPORT it in PDF format. Open it in Acrobat reader and print it as a regular PDF document. You don't have to select the print as picture option. It works with postscript level 3 and level 2 settings.

Hope it will help the ones who need a postscript PDF. The printout is much better than print as picture.

Good luck.

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