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Bill Stevens
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| Posted 2/6/2004 11:38 AM (GMT -5) |   | | I'm not sure I understand your question, but you can't have your four movements in one Finale file and have them independent. They will essentially be one piece. However, you can use the page layout tool to separate the end of one movement from the beginning of another and leave space for a title, so the "look" will be the same as if you had four independent files. I hope this answers your question. | | Back to Top | |
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Bill Stevens
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| Posted 2/6/2004 1:17 PM (GMT -5) | | | There is a tool in the TGTools package called Staff List Manager which may be a bit thorny to learn, but once you have it, it makes the kind of Page Layout job you're writing about much easier, especially if you are optimizing staves. If you are doing orchestra scores it's an indispensable tool. | | Back to Top | |
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Jetcopy
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| Posted 2/6/2004 2:26 PM (GMT -5) | | There is another tool in TG tools that would work perfectly. Under: Modify>Transfer. With this plug-in you can transfer all of your layout information from one document to another. You could for instance make a clip file of your 2nd movement. Add the appropriate number of bars at the end of the 1st movement. Paste the 2nd movement into those bars. Then use the TG Tools Trabsfer plug-in to copy all of the layout information from your original 2nd movement file into the section you just pasted in. This plug-in saves me hours of time.
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Jetcopy
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| Posted 2/6/2004 6:23 PM (GMT -5) | | You can download a demo of the full version of TG Tools at "www.tgtools.de" It's available for Mac & Windows. Actually I think Finale does a good job at what it's supposed to do. It can't be everything to everybody all the time. Anytime I begin a project, I have an idea as to what I want I don't have any problem achieving my goal. I once had to create an Overture out of sections of 12 separate scores which all had different instrumentations. It was challenging, but I was methodical in what I was doing and had no problems.
As far as being intuitive. IMHO, breathing is intuitive. Nothing about computers is. I always hear that Sibelius is more intuitive than Finale. But take a look at the Sibelius forum. People have just as many questions and problems there that we have hear.
Good Luck,
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Bill Stevens
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| Posted 2/6/2004 7:52 PM (GMT -5) | | I agree with Jeff that you should take a look at TGTools as you get back into Finale. One can argue that these things should be in Finale, and some of Tobias' tools have indeed been incorporated into Finale, but I bet when you look at TGTools you'll see two or three utilities that you can't live without. For me it's the Staff List Manager, the special spacing for Lyrics, and easy trills.
Bill | | Back to Top | |
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B K
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| Posted 2/7/2004 12:38 AM (GMT -5) | | Oystein said...
Thank you Billstevens and Jetcopy for good advice.
TGTools, where do I find them? (Are these tools for Mac?) Sorry, I havent used Finale for some years now... just started up again.
However, this sounds like workarounds. I am sometimes shaking my head about Finale because things that should be and COULD BE simple - is very complicated and time consuming. Finale developers can learn a lesson from Apple how to make things intuitive!
Or what do you think?
Oystein
Hi,
I completely understand your question and a bit of frustration. One expects that software would work very much the way one works with paper. However, if you did some individual files which you want to join/group into a single file, you can't just instruct Finale to join the files together - like recent Acrobat. You actually have to do lots of copying/pasting and there is a whole philosophy on how to do it, and one learns to plan ahead when working with Finale after a few years. As I know I would sooner or later want to do lots of copying/pasting, I, for example, tend to avoid measure expressions, as these can't copy properly between documents. After one did the copy/paste part of work, one needs to use different tools to make music look as if there were different movements, and Finale can do that job so well nobody really can tell the diffference, but for Finale single file always equals single movement.
There should be an article on that in the knowledge base of MM. It takes time to learn and master, and if you don't really need to do it, you may want to keep the individual movements and only forge the page numbers?
Cheers,
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Bill Stevens
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| Posted 2/7/2004 10:16 AM (GMT -5) | | You haven't said why you want your movements to be in one file. If it's a matter of wanting to send a single file, remember that you can easily change your files to pdf and combine them into one file. That works exactly like you wish Finale would work.
Is it a single playback file you're after? That doesn't seem like it would be too hard to do with individual aif files, though I'm not the person to tell you how to do it.
As Paul said above, unless the movements began with identical templates and you did not modify those in any way, such as adding expressions or custom chord symbols, the process is likely to be complicated and frustrating. It would be like wanting to drink a glass of orange juice and then a glass of milk and putting them both in a pitcher with the hopes that they would stay apart.
Bill | | Back to Top | |
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Sebastian Huydts
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| Posted 2/7/2004 10:22 AM (GMT -5) | | Hi,
I have all the movements in one file. Using bookmarks it is easy enough to get to the desired movement, and I like having all in one file, reducing window clutter etc.
However, back in the days of Opcode, their MIDI sequencer Vision allowed for multiple files to exist in a layout that appeared to the finder as one file, but was in fact a "suit-case" like construction. Extremely handy for different versions of the same file (for comparison), or for multiple sequences belonging to the same project. This feature has never been copied, AFAIK, and I wish Finale would.
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dugfalk
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| Posted 8/17/2009 2:38 PM (GMT -5) | | I am having the opposite problem of this. I wrote a chamber work in one document (because I thought that was the most effective/only way to have consecutive page numbers) and now at the ends of each movement I have cautionary key and time signatures that I don't want. Do I need to create dummy measures and hide them?
thanks,
Doug | | Back to Top | |
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dugfalk
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| Posted 8/17/2009 3:03 PM (GMT -5) | | | That did not work. The cautionary key/time sig are controlled by Document attributes and so it seems like they have to be manipulated globally. | | Back to Top | |
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Dr. Wiggy
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| Posted 8/17/2009 3:21 PM (GMT -5) | | Dear Dugfalk
Welcome to the forum. Can you clarify exactly what you want Finale to do? Do you want to remove cautionary key and time sigs globally, or just for particular instances.
As Flint points out, for individual measures, there is a tickbox in Measure Attributes to Hide Cautionary Time and Key signatures. Check this box in the measure before the new movement.
If you want to stop it globally, then either select the entire document and press <return>, to apply the attribute to all measures, or in Document Options > Key Sigs, and Document Options > Time Sigs, there is a tick box called "Display Cautionary sigs at the end of system".
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dugfalk
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| Posted 8/17/2009 3:33 PM (GMT -5) | | | I got it to do what I needed! Thanks Wiggy and Flint! | | Back to Top | |
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