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Posted By : montclairteacher - 2/8/2005 12:16 AM
Howdy Boys!

What a thrill it would be for you guys to come up with a wave or mp3 format reader for those of use who get a little nervous recording into Finale before trying to clean up the mess in before sending it to SMART MUSIC.

Some Music Books already come with an accompaniement CD that is strictly piano and nothing else. Why can't Finale Read this? If I own the CD, where is the copywright violation? I have a recording software for my notebook that will record in wave or mp3 file formats---no problem.

It is not the fact that I am lazy, I just don't have time to do all the practicing necessary to get all the notes right in Finale.

You guys have the best product, but help me out one more time.

If I am in error and there is a way to do it----sorry for the trouble!

Anyone know how to strut your stuff and tell me the secret---please send me an email!

Kindly Yours,

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Posted By : Tyler - 2/8/2005 3:45 PM
The task of training a computer to recognize different notes and instruments in a polyphonic composition is a daunting one, and while many companies have tried, none have been very successful. Even single, monophonic pitches can be difficult to discern, although Finale and SmartMusic already do this. When you think about each sound having more than one pitch in it (because of the harmonics), it's difficult for a computer to know which pitch is the intended pitch. Putting multiple parts together into a mix, it becomes many times more difficult. Unfortunately there is just no technology today which can do it reliably.

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Posted By : montclairteacher - 2/8/2005 6:30 PM
I understand this and I would agree. However, how is reading a wav file format with a piano accompaniment different that playing into Finale using midi in out hookups where more than one note is played at the same time?

I can understand Finale trying to transcribe something like the Symphony Fantastic by Berlioz, but I still think it is worthwhile for Finale to at least recognize piano accompaniments so that it can be converted to Smart Music for practice purposes.

My contention is that most singers and instrumentalist use piano accompaniment some where in their performance career.
I just didn't know how hard it wold be to convert from the file format.

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Posted By : montclairteacher - 2/8/2005 6:37 PM
Thanks for your time.

Posted By : Dave BTW - 2/8/2005 6:59 PM
This question has come up a number of times in the last few months There is another thread where this is extensively discussed.

To the non-technical this may seem like an easy problem to solve. It is actually very difficult. Here is a repeat of my last post on the subject:

I guess there is more confusion on this point. Let me try and explain simply (leaving out some details of course.)

Files in .wav format, .mp3 format, .mpeg, or windows media and many other formats are recordings of sounds. An analog tape recorder like a cassette machine also makes recordings of sounds. A "Digital" recording is a series of numbers that represent the original sounds. Sort of like the small dots used to represent photos in a newspaper.

MIDI files are essentially recordings of key presses and releases. There is no actual audio or sound information in a MIDI file. They are used only to control sound generation devices or software to make sounds.

The information in a MIDI file is much closer to notation because a key press or release can easily be understood as a note of a certain duration on a staff. Different channels are used to represent different instruments, but it is all still key presses and releases on each channel or instrument. The synthesizer then creates sound that you can hear. Midi files are very small as a result compared to quality sound recordings (The midi file does not contain any sounds at all, but simply calls them out of the synthesizer).

For a computer to use a sound file (such as .wav or mp3) to make notation would require the computer to do what so far only the human brain can do. First recognize different instrument or voice sounds, and also recognize the individual pitches of each instrument, also hear the different rhythms in each instrument, never confusing them, and do this while recognizing the difference between an echo and direct sound, between extraneous noises and sounds, such as rosin on a bowed string, or a dropped mute, etc. It is a very complex task indeed.

Does that help you understand the difference between a midi file and a sound recording? Does that also help you understand why importing a MIDI file is relatively easy, while importing audio or sounds is not?

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Posted By : provette82 - 2/8/2005 10:03 PM
I vote YES

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Music is moral law. It gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness and a gaiety and life to everything. It is the essence of order and leads to all that is good, true and beautiful. -- Plato