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Posted By : hotjazztrumpet - 11/22/2005 10:43 AM
I know Smart Music has the option of using alternative synth sets/midi sounds. Has anybody come across any that make the piano and rythmn section sounds any more realistic. I love the program, i just wish i could improve the sounds in it. If there are any good free ones out there please post. Thanks

Posted By : RAWBRASS - 11/22/2005 11:08 AM
HI I ALSO PLAY JAZZ TRUMPET HAVE YOU GOT SM VER. 9.0 YET I THINK THE INSTRUMENTS SOUND VERY REALISTIC ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU RECORD ONTO CD


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Posted By : hotjazztrumpet - 11/22/2005 11:20 AM
Please turn off the CAPS LOCK, thanks. Yes I am a jazz trumpet player, and i still prefer the sound of Aebersold cd's over smartmusic's accompanient. In Smart Music, the voicings dont change often, and the drum fills are really cheesy. I do think this can be solved with a new synth set. The program won't change voicings and phrasing, but it will change the color that comes out. I've tried the cd recording option, and i've liked the legit stuff better than the jazz. Just sounds "artificial".

Posted By : Tyler - 11/22/2005 4:10 PM
There's no way to redirect the MIDI output from SmartMusic to another player (publishers would never allow this, since it would make it easy to steal their music). And the soundfont used in SM is not GM compatible, so there's no option for simply swapping in different soundfont libraries. The only way would be to use soundfont editing software to actually change the soundfont. Soundfont editing software is tough to come by these days, and I don't know of any free options. It's also quite a bit of work to do, pulling instruments from one library to another and balancing them. The Vienna Soundfont Studio, which is generally considered the standard, requires a soundfont compatible sound card (like the SB Audigy or Live).


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Posted By : RAWBRASS - 11/23/2005 12:19 PM
HOT JAZZ
What is the problem with cap locks being on a bit childish comment from you dont you think


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Posted By : RAWBRASS - 11/23/2005 12:20 PM
also with regard to sounds why not try a real band


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Posted By : RAWBRASS - 11/27/2005 1:26 PM
hot jazz farter
you prob just a kid and have no idea of "IM A JAZZ TRUMPET PLAYER" i have 29 years of pro playing under my belt and people like you just annoy me - crawl back down your "I WISH I WAS A TRUMPET PLAYER" HOLE


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Posted By : Tyler - 11/27/2005 3:19 PM
I don't think there were any bad intentions with anything stated here. Some people just have a harder time reading text when it's in caps. Let's let it go.


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Posted By : RAWBRASS - 11/28/2005 11:53 AM
Ok thats an end to it


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Posted By : hotjazztrumpet - 11/28/2005 1:35 PM
By the way, i'm a college/semi-professional trumpet player, and yes i do have groups that i play with. Smart Music is a practice tool, and a mighty fine one at that. What I was speaking of was changing the sound driver of smart music to another that is more developed. I currently have the primary sound driver and SigmaTel Audio, and i use SigmaTel Audio. What I was wondering before was if there were other sound drivers that had more realistic sounds for the piano and rhythm section, or if anybody has had success with this. I don't want to modify SmartMusic's actual sound font, just change the driver, which you can do at the setup screen when you start the program every time.

Also, RAWBRASS, you have your bell bent upwards like Dizzy's horn? How much did that cost ya?

Posted By : Tyler - 11/28/2005 1:48 PM
hotjazztrumpet said...
By the way, i'm a college/semi-professional trumpet player, and yes i do have groups that i play with. Smart Music is a practice tool, and a mighty fine one at that. What I was speaking of was changing the sound driver of smart music to another that is more developed. I currently have the primary sound driver and SigmaTel Audio, and i use SigmaTel Audio. What I was wondering before was if there were other sound drivers that had more realistic sounds for the piano and rhythm section, or if anybody has had success with this. I don't want to modify SmartMusic's actual sound font, just change the driver, which you can do at the setup screen when you start the program every time.

Also, RAWBRASS, you have your bell bent upwards like Dizzy's horn? How much did that cost ya?


With MIDI drivers, changing to a different one will change the sounds that are being used. But SmartMusic isn't actually using your soundcard's MIDI drivers and instead is using the wave driver. So SmartMusic is not using sounds that exist as a part of your soundcard drivers or hardware. It's always using its own soundfont. This was necessary, because any other solution would have meant sending MIDI data to the soundcard driver, and this would have made it very simple to record the MIDI data and turn it into notation - something publishers would be strongly against. Using SM's own sounds was also important to MakeMusic because of balance issues.

Selecting different audio drivers in the SmartMusic setup doesn't change the sounds that are used. It just changes where the soundfont/softsynth playback is sent to.


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Posted By : RAWBRASS - 11/29/2005 8:40 AM
hotjazztrumpet said...
Also, RAWBRASS, you have your bell bent upwards like Dizzy's horn? How much did that cost ya?
 hi hotjazztrumpet, firstly let me appologise for my earlier comments to you,i was out of order,sorry to get off on the wrong foot.
the Dizzy horn was like that when i bought it of Ebay a few years ago and was originally lacquered in electric blue but i have since stripped it back to raw brass i will post a pic if it will upload and also sorry to anyone else i know i am going of subject here


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Posted By : RAWBRASS - 11/29/2005 10:07 AM
Here is the pic of the Dizzy Strad when it was Blue


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