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Posted By : JustinP - 7/7/2011 11:32 AM
Hi all,

There have been a few threads lately asking about the Finale 2012 release date.

In today's press release, we announced that Finale 2012 will be released sometime this fall. This is later than we normally release to allow for adequate development time for some great application infrastructure changes, which will result in some awesome new features this year.

We're pretty excited about it, and I can't wait to share more as we roll into fall!

I have linked to the press release below:

www.makemusic.com/press_releases.aspx?pid=513

Thanks!

-Justin


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Posted By : Fritz Meissner - 7/7/2011 12:39 PM
Could you possibly explain "technological infrastructure" in notation terms ? Unicode maybe ? Finale will only be available as an iPad app from now on ?

Fritz

No, it has to be Finale is going into the cloud - from now on you'll never see your files again. Or for a really way out idea, a universal Finale file format - from now on any version of Finale will read any file ever created with Finale. Nah, scrub that one, some things are just too far fetched.


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Post Edited (Fritz Meissner) : 7/7/2011 11:43:21 AM (GMT-5)


Posted By : JustinP - 7/7/2011 12:44 PM
I'll elaborate more this fall! Sorry!


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Posted By : Mr. S - 7/7/2011 4:22 PM
Thanks for the update. It sounds as though perhaps MM's answer to Sibelius' magnetic layout is taking a bit longer than originally thought.


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Posted By : Saffron - 7/7/2011 6:55 PM
Whooop! This is probably EXCELLENT news - at last a break for the shackles of a 12-month release cycle, which all of us who actually write software know gives no time for serious development and innovation ...

I look forwards to Finale 2012 some time near - er, how shall I put this? - 2012!!!

Brian



Posted By : warrenbarnett - 7/8/2011 9:37 AM
Justin Phillips said...
Hi all,

There have been a few threads lately asking about the Finale 2012 release date.

In today's press release, we announced that Finale 2012 will be released sometime this fall. This is later than we normally release to allow for adequate development time for some great application infrastructure changes, which will result in some awesome new features this year.

We're pretty excited about it, and I can't wait to share more as we roll into fall!

I have linked to the press release below:

www.makemusic.com/press_releases.aspx?pid=513

Thanks!

-Justin

Kind of a back-ended press release, apologizing for the financial effect the late release will have to shareholders, rather than just touting the later-than-expected release of Finale being a great thing.


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Posted By : Flint - 7/8/2011 11:57 AM
The press release is aimed at shareholders, not users. Shareholders don't care about anything other than expected profits, or excuses for lack thereof.


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Posted By : Benjamin Tubb - 7/8/2011 1:50 PM
From what I've read and seen in some company videos, the product cycle development at Wolfram Research, particularly for their Mathematica program is always two versions ahead! No predetermined deadlines are set by date, but by complete determination of program design goals specific to each version, as well as thorough quality assurance -- all of which seems to me to almost ensure bug-free performance and reliability when released, as well as to ensure that only significant upgrades are released, and thus, in my not so humble opinion, should be a model for all software developers to follow.


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Posted By : akgreenberg - 7/8/2011 2:02 PM
Hi Justin,

I often use Pro Tools for editing my vocal parts. I noticed something interesting when I up graded to Pro Tools 9. It takes control of my laptops power options and changes it from the balanced mode (for most work) to high performance mode. When I close Pro Tools, it switches back to balanced. I do see a performance boose when this happens. Do you think we can add this as an option for future Finale releases? It might end latency issues.

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Posted By : JustinP - 7/8/2011 2:28 PM
Hi Art,

I can certainly see that as valuable option, I'll add it as a feature request.


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Posted By : akgreenberg - 7/8/2011 4:00 PM
Outstanding! Thanks.

By the way I don't use Pro Tools as much as I use Finale! I am an "Avid" Finale supporter! lol

Definintion of avid: keenly, enthusiastically, passionately, eagerly, devotedly, ardently, fervently...ya know what I mean!

Have a great weekend!

Art G. smilewinkgrin


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Posted By : Motet - 7/9/2011 2:00 PM
Press release said...
We expect that the delay of Finale will negatively impact our second quarter and annual revenue for fiscal 2011, when compared to fiscal 2010


Since this is a fate worse than death to a CEO, I suspect the delay was not expected, and so I find it fairly worrisome. Fingers crossed, though.


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Posted By : JustinP - 7/9/2011 10:57 PM
No worries Motet. When you're a public company and shareholders expect profit boosts and your normal times, it's good behavior to inform them that there will be a change.


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Posted By : Motet - 7/10/2011 1:18 PM
OK, thanks. I don't know when the press release appeared, but I didn't see the stock take a hit in the past week.


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Posted By : David H. Bailey - 7/13/2011 4:43 AM
Interesting change in business model from the old days when a company would be sure to notify its customers of any change before worrying about investors. It follows the horrible business model that has shareholders being much more important than product or customer satisfaction. Whatever happened to a company surviving because it produced excellent products rather than existing because it can fool a bunch of investors into buying shares?

Posted By : Dr. Wiggy - 7/13/2011 5:28 AM
David H. Bailey said...
Interesting change in business model from the old days when a company would be sure to notify its customers of any change before worrying about investors.

Ah the old days. You could leave your door open and never get burgled. The kids could play safely on the streets, and you could get your dinner, the cinema and your bus fare home all for a shilling.

Stockholders have been the main concern of companies ever since stock was first traded in the 17th century. Nothing has changed.


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Posted By : Michel R. E. - 7/13/2011 6:25 AM
David H. Bailey said...
Whatever happened to a company surviving because it produced excellent products rather than existing because it can fool a bunch of investors into buying shares?


It went under for lack of capital funds.

You need money to make a product. You need investors to make money. You need money to make money. Money, money, money.

Even companies that make "excellent products" require money to make those excellent products.

Investors don't look at the quality of a product (and if you're buying stock because you "like the product"... don't. That's not a good investment habit), they look at the quality of a stock.


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Posted By : Saffron - 7/13/2011 6:36 AM
Sadly, Michel is right - in most cirumstances ...

... happily there are some notable exceptions.

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Posted By : akgreenberg - 7/13/2011 2:39 PM

I agree with Saffron.  "Let's go to McDonalds"...Once in a while it can't kill ya.  And I love their Stock!

 

AG    smilewinkgrin


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Posted By : Saffron - 7/13/2011 4:24 PM
akgreenberg said...
I agree with Saffron. "Let's go to McDonalds"...Once in a while it can't kill ya. And I love their Stock!

AG smilewinkgrin

Curiously, it wasn't the Big M I was thinking about! lol

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Posted By : Fritz Meissner - 7/17/2011 10:46 AM
The more I think about this announcement, the more I think there may be something genuinely significant happening. Here is an excerpt from the sharenolders' meeting in early March :

"Charlie Pine: Speaking of the development efforts, are you going to be able to get your products out on time this year?

Jeff Koch: That is the plan. I mean that with...

Charlie Pine: Well, that was the plan last year also.

Jeff Koch: Yes. And that is why I said, I mean that with an underline, that’s the plan, period."

Jeff Koch being the then interim CEO of MakeMusic.

Now we have a new CEO (Karen van Lith) turning around, and on top of that telling the shareholders that they will have to take a hit on revenue. freaked A CEO can get away with that once in their career (at the beginning when you can blame it on your predecesor) but it doesn't happen lightly, and there had better be something impressive to show for it - and I'm sure she knows it.

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Posted By : Fritz Meissner - 7/17/2011 10:55 AM
Following on from that, the press release about the new CEO appointment also hints that there may be significant changes coming for MM products (not stated, but implied by the new CEO's background, I think) :

"Karen has an exceptional record of transforming companies through conversions to new technology platforms and growth acceleration. We believe MakeMusic is poised to enter into its next phase of growth as we invest in new products and reposition our current products to take advantage of newer technologies. "

"For the past three years van Lith has provided interim CEO leadership to companies in start-up, high growth and crisis phases, in addition to running her own internet-marketing services company."

We may be in for some interesting times.

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Posted By : Mike Rosen - 7/17/2011 2:12 PM
Fritz Meissner said...


"For the past three years van Lith has provided interim CEO leadership to companies in start-up, high growth and crisis phases, in addition to running her own internet-marketing services company."


Fritz


Since Finale is neither a start-up, nor a high-growth company, this is the phrase that bothers me. Do they know something that we don't?



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Posted By : Fritz Meissner - 7/17/2011 2:45 PM
I think they have just realised something that's been stated on the forum for several years now. Any company that is not getting new customers will carry on pretty much as before for a few years relying on their established users for subscription income; the downward trend starts slowly, but it will gradually steepen until they reach a point where it becomes precipitous, by which time it is usually too late to do anything about the situation. The early warning sign is what a number of people have been saying on the forum, that when they look at new users (students, for instance), Sibelius is overwhelmingly the favourite. Given that information, they must know that they are on the road to crisis.

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Posted By : wish910 - 7/18/2011 11:17 PM
Hello, Justin:

We hope:

1.A real 64-bit Version of Finale 2012 to support more RAM in a 64-bit OS.
(There have been 64-bit version Logic, GPO, Cubase, Nuendo and so on for sereral years.)

2.Makemusic can solve the problem of MIDI CC#11. In Finale 2011, users can't change dynamics when using MIDI CC#11 with East West Libraries so that users think the crescendo don't work at all when using EW. Therefore, we hope we can draw dynamic hairpins as we like and hear them work better in Finale 2012. The problemn has existed for many years since Finale 2007.

Thank you a lot.


 
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Post Edited (wish910) : 7/18/2011 10:20:25 PM (GMT-5)


Posted By : kadf1999 - 7/29/2011 11:17 PM
how much was it?

Posted By : heinzfan - 7/31/2011 10:17 AM

"Makemusic can solve the problem of MIDI CC#11. In Finale 2011, users can't change dynamics when using MIDI CC#11 with East West Libraries so that users think the crescendo don't work at all when using EW. Therefore, we hope we can draw dynamic hairpins as we like and hear them work better in Finale 2012. The problem has existed for many years since Finale 2007."

It's also a similar problem for the playback of CC#7, volume, through a text expression (regardless of the the library or synth), where the volume is changed by a percentage of the existing value rather than by the midi value.   If your midi volume is 80, changing it to 90 via text expression CC7 sets the new volume to 72, not 90.

I've seen other software I used either go belly-up or (as in the case of Adobe Audition) "upgraded" but in actuality stripped down to the point of uselessness.  I hope this doesn't occur with Finale. 


Posted By : Michael Ducharme - 7/31/2011 11:31 PM
I have not found a problem with CC11. It works fine, as does CC7 (although I really do not like or suggest the use of CC7 - any library that is well programmed will not force you to use CC7 for dynamics). Perhaps you have not set your Human Playback to use CC11 instead of CC1 for those samples? Note that making rules based on library or patch name will not work here, due to a bug with Kontakt support.

CC1 is a bigger problem. The CC1 setting in HP is designed for Garritan libraries, where key velocity is used for attack. It sends key velocity values equal to the attack of the notes. Many libraries that use CC1 as a dynamic controller also use key velocity as a secondary dynamic controller. This results in somewhat random dynamic differences from note to note, which can sound pretty awful. There should be two CC1 options, one for CC1 with key velocity for Garritan instruments, and one with CC1 with key velocity treated as a secondary dynamic controller as it is in most libraries.

Posted By : Colinoid - 8/9/2011 6:39 AM
Any update on Finale 2012 yet? A more specific date perhaps? Even a month? I'm about to finally upgrade from 2009, and I'm assuming that now it's worth waiting for 2012 before I do so.

C.

Posted By : jzucker - 8/10/2011 7:45 AM
i have a similar issue. Just got an update notice for Sibelius 7. I want to upgrade to a 64 bit version of either but not both.

Posted By : jzucker - 8/10/2011 1:13 PM
Looks like Sibelius supports DTP features with Hierarchical styles within scores. For a book author (such as myself) this potentially eliminates the need for using Adobe Indesign for layout. That's huge for me. Will Finale support anything similar? If not, looks like it's a done deal.

Posted By : Les Preludes - 8/10/2011 1:46 PM
Just curious -

What are "DeskTopPublishing features with Hierarchical styles within scores"?


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Posted By : jzucker - 8/10/2011 1:59 PM
hierarchical styles are components of publishing layout design software used to author books, magazine articles, etc. It means that you can author a professional, print-ready document from within Sibelius 7 without resorting to other tools. In the past, you typically authored the document in a publishing layout package and imported the music as PDF or TIF files. Sibelius 7 (and hopefully finale 2012) allow you to do everything from within the music layout tool.

Posted By : Saffron - 8/10/2011 1:59 PM
Les Preludes said...
Just curious -

What are "DeskTopPublishing features with Hierarchical styles within scores"?

Les

WOW! Something I've long time wanted, and occasionally discussed on this forum. Where did you see this?

Brian



Posted By : Les Preludes - 8/10/2011 2:20 PM
jzucker said...
hierarchical styles are components of publishing layout design software used to author books, magazine articles, etc. It means that you can author a professional, print-ready document from within Sibelius 7 without resorting to other tools. In the past, you typically authored the document in a publishing layout package and imported the music as PDF or TIF files. Sibelius 7 (and hopefully finale 2012) allow you to do everything from within the music layout tool.


Anotherwords, fairly advanced typographical controls, for starters. That's good!


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Posted By : jzucker - 8/10/2011 2:52 PM
Saffron said...
Les Preludes said...
Just curious -

What are "DeskTopPublishing features with Hierarchical styles within scores"?

Les

WOW! Something I've long time wanted, and occasionally discussed on this forum. Where did you see this?

Brian


It's on the list of features for sibelius 7. I wish Makemusic would at least comment on whether this will be in their next release.

Posted By : Nev - 9/17/2011 12:13 PM
Now mid September and still no news of when 2012 will be released, any one heard anything on the grapevine?


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Posted By : Les Preludes - 9/17/2011 1:20 PM
They said "Fall 2011". It's not fall until next week, unless you go by "meteorological fall", which started September 1st. All in good time, friend.

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Posted By : warrenbarnett - 9/17/2011 1:27 PM
The longer, the better, in my mind, as long as they are taking the time to get the bugs out.


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Posted By : Ron. - 9/17/2011 2:20 PM
After all this delay I expect something amazing. Anything less and I will be disappointed. devil


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Posted By : warrenbarnett - 9/17/2011 2:41 PM
I don't care about anything new, as long as the bugs and blatant programming mistakes are corrected. (A mistake isn't a bug, nor is it an error). Lots and lots and lots of mistakes in the percussion.


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Posted By : Les Preludes - 9/17/2011 3:46 PM
warrenbarnett said...
I don't care about anything new, as long as the bugs and blatant programming mistakes are corrected. (A mistake isn't a bug, nor is it an error). Lots and lots and lots of mistakes in the percussion.


Well, I'd say a mistake is an error.

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Posted By : The Realms of Gold - 9/17/2011 3:54 PM
According to MakeMusic, people who do serious composing with Finale (most of the returning users here) make up about two percent of the user base. I expect absolutely no significant bugfixes in the upcoming version; new features are much more important for the company's business. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see options for using the old percussion mapping appear alongside the new system, similar to the concessions MM made for staff/note expressions in 2009 when they realized people were using them differently than intended. (Remember that?)

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Posted By : Saffron - 9/17/2011 6:25 PM
Les Preludes said...
They said "Fall 2011". It's not fall until next week, unless you go by "meteorological fall", which started September 1st. All in good time, friend.

Les

It's "fall" as you guys call it, big time. Haven't seen proper sunshine for over a month, and first frosts forming. It's definitely "fall" ...

... for those of us on this side of the pond, that means - er - fall.

Brian



Posted By : warrenbarnett - 9/17/2011 7:40 PM
Les Preludes said...
Well, I'd say a mistake is an error.

If you measure something such as a volume or length with a measureing device, it will always be in error, because you can always get a more accuate device or method of measuring (as in "close, but no cigar"). A mistake, is something which is just plain wrong, such as a spelling misteak (sp).


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Posted By : Fritz Meissner - 9/18/2011 2:16 AM
Ron. said...
After all this delay I expect something amazing. Anything less and I will be disappointed. devil


I hate to be negative since I really do wish MM well, but the press release was about new technology: notation is not new technology, so I suspect we're talking something of the order of iPad, or something new new in playback sounds. Since new technology inevitably has new bugs, we should start preparing ourselves for the old bugs plus a whole crop of new ones.

Don't set your expectations so high that you can only be disappointed by the reality.

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Posted By : Ronwass - 9/18/2011 11:13 AM
Hey, Makemusic is in Minnesota, isn't it? It's practically winter there by now, right?


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Posted By : jms3music - 9/18/2011 11:23 AM
Fritz has a good point. I was thinking more along the lines of new technology behind the coding (which itself might then enable the support of new features and improved stability).


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Posted By : Saffron - 9/18/2011 12:13 PM
I'd hate to be accused of cynicism, and really hope I'm wrong, VERY wrong, but this ongoing silence is almost deafening. I mean, iOS 5 is out in "Fall", but we've all known most of what it will give us for months. Likewise anyone who follows the likes of Microsoft, Adobe, and many other industry standard companies, generally knows the gist, if not the detail, of software and hardware releases months, sometimes more than a year, before release.

But the total lack of any info, other than, "Wait, you'll be amazed", worries me.

Not that MM would do it to us, their loyal band of users, but we'd all certainly be "amazed" if on, say, 25 Dec 11, MM said, "That's it, we're outa here, go get a quill pen".

I think its time for a few heads-up "leaks" from the company we all support and keep in business ...

Brian



Posted By : Motet - 9/18/2011 12:57 PM
Who said, "Wait--you'll be amazed"?

Unless they fix one of my pet peeves like playing transposed pitch during data entry I doubt I'll upgrade--I waited six years last time (admittedly I should have only waited three or four). Or if the new UI somehow improves productivity.


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Posted By : Michel R. E. - 9/18/2011 1:01 PM
Garritan have been "tight lipped" as well about their new products... supposedly a choral library, and a new string library. They've had their customers waiting in darkness for years now, with not a peep from anyone official.


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Posted By : Fritz Meissner - 9/18/2011 1:19 PM
jms3music said...
Fritz has a good point. I was thinking more along the lines of new technology behind the coding (which itself might then enable the support of new features and improved stability).


Well the exact quote was : "We are excited about the updated features and improved functionality that our annual product upgrades will offer to our target markets. Due to the extent of the updates to the technological infrastructure for Finale 2012, this year’s update will be released in the Fall, which is later than our typical release timeframe."

My initial thoughts about "updates to the technological infrastructure" was similar to yours as I have long suspected that they were being seriously held back by being tied to a cross-platform development system which was not being updated. I don't know what they use, but I'm assuming that, for instance, the number of years it took to get access to a basic modern windows feature like the mouse scroll wheel could only be the result of a development system problem, rather than their own programming. My wish list would be something along the lines of switching to a new development system and rearchitecting the whole program to get rid of those bits of ancient gnarly code that underlie everything but which no-one wants to touch for fear of breaking them (my interpretation of why old, old fundamental bugs never get fixed). However, all that gets you is a program which works and is maintainable, not sexy new features, so I'd actually have to say that I don't know what to expect.

Isn't it fun rumour-mongering in the total absence of facts ? devil

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Posted By : Michael Ducharme - 9/18/2011 1:56 PM
Michel R. E. said...
Garritan have been "tight lipped" as well about their new products... supposedly a choral library, and a new string library. They've had their customers waiting in darkness for years now, with not a peep from anyone official.


From what I understand, everything was basically put on hold since Gary Garritan's wife was diagnosed with cancer.

Posted By : Saffron - 9/19/2011 9:57 AM
Michel R. E. said...
Garritan have been "tight lipped" as well about their new products... supposedly a choral library, and a new string library. They've had their customers waiting in darkness for years now, with not a peep from anyone official.

That's problem - all too often, "tight lipped" means "delayed", rather than "ready to amaze".

Sorry to hear that in the case of Garritan, it's down to his wife's illness - I wish her in particular, and the Garritan family in general, the very best.

Brian



Posted By : EpeeDad - 9/19/2011 10:55 AM
A couple of comments:

Garritan is a very small company. It is smaller than MM by an order of magnitude. The serious illness of a key resource (and Mrs. G is just that) can devastate a company of that size.

They have produced an excellent product line at very attractive price points but have had difficulty over the years in product development in terms of timely delivery. This is a very common problem in small, innovative technical companies. In particular, the costs (in both time and money) of the pre-release testing phase of development always seems to be under-estimated.

I suspect that the main reason for Garritan's "tight lipped" policy (which predated Mrs. G's illness) had more to do with issues with competition than an excuse for delays.

On the topic of MM going under("Go back to quill pens" :) ), this could happen to any company if they don't remain profitable. I suspect that if they went chapter 7, someone would purchase their assets (Finale code base, for instance, not necessarily staff) at possibly fire-sale prices. Avid could easily do that just to remove the product as a competitor. On the other hand, Roland could also do it to enhance their product line. Look at the situation with Geniesoft/Overture over the years. I switched to Finale because they just weren't stable enough for me to invest my time using the product with the strong potential of needing to start over with another product and have my old stuff orphaned.


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Posted By : David Ball - 9/19/2011 11:01 AM
I'm still using Finale 2008 (starting with 2.2 on 2 floppies I think)
It does almost everything I want it to I guess...
mind, I still use XP too!

Ha ha, maybe I'm just getting old :)