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Posted By : William Brilhart - 10/9/2014 8:50 PM
Can I get music from a CD onto Finale so I can transpose the violin part for cello? What is the best way to get the music I want to transpose onto Finale?

Help appreciated

WDB

Posted By : Jetcopy - 10/9/2014 8:59 PM
William Brilhart said...
Can I get music from a CD onto Finale so I can transpose the violin part for cello? What is the best way to get the music I want to transpose onto Finale?

Help appreciated

WDB

Finale can't turn a recording into sheet music. You'd have to input the violin part, then transpose it for cello.


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Posted By : Mike Rosen - 10/9/2014 9:28 PM
Judging from this and your other post, you're looking for a shortcut. There isn't one, I fear. If you have a scanned picture of the score, learn how to use Simple or Speedy entry, to get the notes into Finale. If all you have is the CD, you will have to rely on your ears to transcribe the part. But you will still need to learn Finale!



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Posted By : EpeeDad - 10/10/2014 9:45 AM
Mike and Jetcopy are correct. There are no shortcuts available for transcribing music from audio automatically. There are a number of tools available that can assist but these are complex (and sometimes costly) professional tools with steep learning curves. In my experience, scans of complex classical pieces imported into Finale need so much editing that it is faster and easier to input them as Jetcopy suggests. I transcribe a lot of music both for the choir that I sing in and for my new business (Shameless plug! :-) mystudyscores.com ). Looking at a few of the Beethoven Violin Sonatas on IMSLP, transcribing a violin part is about 1-2 hours work for me at the most. The piano parts are another story and would take 8-12 hours since they are much more complex with multiple layers, etc.

If you need this right away, you should hire someone with the expertise to do it quickly to your satisfaction. If you aren't in a hurry, buckling down and going through the Finale tutorials and really learning the program (Practice! Practice! Practice! :-) ) will have long term rewards if this is a skill set that you may find useful in the future. Transcribing great music is a very effective way to become both an expert in Finale and in the music itself.


Regards,
Chris

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Posted By : Saffron - 10/10/2014 10:53 AM
Another cake -> eggs, flour and sugar question! :-)

Brian



Posted By : RobChand58 - 10/10/2014 3:16 PM
You CAN get Finale to play back a WAV or MP3 file roughly in sync with the score...

This can be a big help in the aforementioned transcribing process.


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Posted By : Zuill - 10/10/2014 3:27 PM
That I do all the time. One used to have to have another program open and toggle between the 2. Having the file linked right into Finale has been a tremendous boon to my work.

Zuill


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Posted By : Mike Rosen - 10/10/2014 3:53 PM
Yes, but this method requires years of training and experience, which (I get the impression) the OP lacks.



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer notation editor (The Gang of Eight) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014c, but using 2012 again, on Mac 10.9.4
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."


Posted By : Saffron - 10/11/2014 11:26 AM
FWIW, I use two different computers for this - one controlling/playing the recording, the other running Finale - and both machines routing the sound through my Apogee Duet and into my headphones. Works a treat!

Brian



Posted By : Mike Rosen - 10/11/2014 11:59 AM
And you, like Zuill and so many others here, have the ears of a bat! Many of us are not so well equipped.



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer notation editor (The Gang of Eight) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014c, but using 2012 again, on Mac 10.9.4
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."


Posted By : Saffron - 10/11/2014 1:02 PM
Mike Rosen said...
And you, like Zuill and so many others here, have the ears of a bat! Many of us are not so well equipped.

It does help using really good studio headphones and a decent soundcard - things you would never normally hear in an orchestration, simply pop out when you focus your attention!

I love my recently-purchased AKG K712 cans, and Apogee Duet sound interface for my MacBook pro.

Brian



Posted By : Ron. - 10/11/2014 1:22 PM
I have 12 year old AKG 240's--and they are fantastic.


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Posted By : Mike Rosen - 10/11/2014 1:33 PM
I have 65 year-old Organics, v.1.0. They've lost too many highs, over the years.



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer notation editor (The Gang of Eight) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2010, 2011, 2012c, 2014c, but using 2012 again, on Mac 10.9.4
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."


Posted By : Saffron - 10/11/2014 3:03 PM
For years I've used Beyerdynamic DT-150 - classic broadcasters' cans (based on the DT-100 but with better drivers), but they are flattering and boxy, and best for location recording because their closed back design minimises sound spillage. I know my synthesizers sounds inside out using these cans. But when I bought my AKG K712 earlier this year, it was a revelation! So much more detail in the sound, and also seriously comfortable to wear even all day long. Love the new cans to bits! :-)

Brian



Posted By : Bob Stiffler - 10/16/2014 4:17 PM
William:

I have spent the last few days transcribing a piano arrangement of an old hymn. This is part of a note I sent my client who is a good piano player who created this arrangement. I spent about 30 hours transcribing the 43 measures in his piano arrangement. I am a pretty good piano player and a 19 year user of Finale

This transcription is done by copying your CD into the Cakewalk Sonar program on a second computer. The Sonar program lets me slow down the tempo to about a third of the speed you are playing. I then select one measure and constantly play that one measure (loop) in Sonar until I can play that measure (one hand) from my memory and in meter on my Finale input keyboard. I then play that measure into Finale and get the notated transcription. I do the left hand alone and then the right hand alone or vice versa. It is easy to spend 15 minutes on a measure because of the complexity of your arrangement. (Yes I do have to listen to one measure over and over for 15 minutes to figure out how the notes are to appear on paper.) I work on the notes out on a blank scratch pad measure and then drag them to the keyboard line.

I would be interested in any thoughts from you folks who do this for a living.

Regards
Bob Stiffler