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Posted By : Motet - 12/1/2016 1:56 PM
In case you missed the sticky thread above:

forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=489260

Discuss.


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Posted By : Zuill - 12/1/2016 2:16 PM
Too bad for what I perceive as a mistake. My forum days may be coming to a close.

Zuill


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Posted By : Motet - 12/1/2016 3:02 PM
I don't think I'll participate there either. There is the possibility of us all going to a non-MM forum. Isn't there already such? But of course the poor user who needs help probably won't find it.


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Posted By : Ron. - 12/1/2016 3:09 PM
I've been fairly active on the FaceBook "Finale Powerusers" group. I guess that's where I'll be hiding now.


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Posted By : Motet - 12/1/2016 4:06 PM
There is www.finaleforum.com.


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Posted By : Ron. - 12/1/2016 5:01 PM
Motet said...
There is www.finaleforum.com.


Several of the topics are obsolete.


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Posted By : Zuill - 12/1/2016 5:02 PM
I can't seem to find the facebook page.

Zuill


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Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 12/1/2016 5:12 PM
/www.facebook.com/groups/finalepower/

Is it this one?


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Posted By : Ron. - 12/1/2016 5:36 PM
That's the one I was referring to, Ralph.


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Posted By : Perotinus - 12/1/2016 6:06 PM
Any way any of you tech gurus can transfer this forum over and set it up somewhere else with its content intact? Not expecting an affirmative, but hoping?


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Posted By : Ron. - 12/1/2016 6:36 PM
Perotinus said...
Any way any of you tech gurus can transfer this forum over and set it up somewhere else with its content intact? Not expecting an affirmative, but hoping?


Not without access to the database which, I am positive, MM will not share with anyone outside their firm.


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Posted By : Motet - 12/1/2016 6:36 PM
Not without access to the database.

Does Facebook have file attachments? I know you can post pictures.


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Finale Transposition Chart


Posted By : Writer of Music - 12/1/2016 9:09 PM
Motet said...
There is www.finaleforum.com.


Tried a dozen times to activate an account with the link the forum sent. No luck.


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Posted By : Ron. - 12/2/2016 1:05 AM
Motet said...
Not without access to the database.

Does Facebook have file attachments? I know you can post pictures.


You can post images and links on FB, but not other files. In any case, when I mentioned the database I was talking about this forum, not FB.


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Posted By : bvstudios - 12/2/2016 1:19 AM
Guess this means I will finally have to concede defeat and join F-book, something I have carefully avoided doing for many years, now.

This whole thing is sad, and smacks of ageism. My bet is that the average age for those of us here (I'm 62) is somewhat higher than the average age at Finale. I've learned to my everlasting annoyance that there is scant regard for history anymore, and (with due regard for the exceptions out there) it seems to be a "Me Generation" thing. People whose current age is no more than 50 seem not to care a whit about the past and worry instead that only the latest and greatest is truly important.

Trouble is, this isn't new. 25 years back, a Crown Corp headed by a bunch of hired young MBA's instead of career public servants was handed a government operation that was more than a century old. Within a year, all but the legal minimum of historic records and archives had been shredded, including valuable wartime vintage microfilm records and historic information. The stated reason was "space", but when you dug into things, it really turned out to be a mandate to look forward, not backward, whichsame came directly from the guy who was in charge. He was 46, and left the corporation about 18 months later. Too late, all that valuable record was gone. And because there was really only one copy of each, there was no backup to pull info from if needed. As a result, some claims died, some ended up in court, and even some laws had to be re-written. All because of "look forward, not backward".

Then there is the whole Facebook/ownership/copyright thing, which I don't believe has been solved yet. Has it?


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Posted By : Motet - 12/2/2016 2:28 AM
Ron, your comment about the database snuck in right before mine--I didn't see it. I was wondering about your Facebook finalepower experience--how well do things go without having attachments?


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Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart


Posted By : ttw - 12/2/2016 2:50 AM
Looks like I'll be dropping out two. I have no Face book account now do I intend to do so. I assume MM simply has no interest in keeping me as a customer.


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Windows 10 Home HP Portable


Posted By : Michel R. E. - 12/2/2016 3:59 AM
one can join Facebook with a minimum of trouble. One need only set all of the privacy settings to maximum.
if you have no friends or family to keep up with on FB, then just put everything as private, only you will see it and those in any groups you post to. They won't be able to repost your things.

that said, a Facebook page for Finale users is sort of pointless since, as others have noted, you can't attach files.


As for the new MakeMusic forum, I posted a question there a few months ago. It took a week to get any sort of response, and that was from a MM employee. And the employee's suggestions for remedying the situation about which I was asking was totally wrong. It's as if they hire people who don't know how to use Finale.
Zuill would probably have found it in 2 seconds flat. As it turns out, I figured out the issue on my own within a day or so.

I really hate the new forum, its look, and how it works. I won't be migrating there. I will have to find some other resource for Finale information.


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Posted By : jange - 12/2/2016 6:06 AM
I like the Facebook Finale Powerusers group. It's not impossible to attach Finale files,
but you have to do it via an external link (for example with dropbox.com).
I have attached Finale documents several times without a problem.
But aren't most of all requests (90% ?) solvable with a screenshot anyway ? That can be attached quickly in Facebook.
Sometimes I also attach a screencam video which visualizes the problem. In the standard forums you can only attach external links for videos, on Facebook it's integrated.
The Facebook group also answers very fast and exact and it has a search function though it is very simple.

For more general engraving questions there is a second Facebook group called "Music Engraving Tips" which also has many Sibelius or LilyPond users on board.
It answers incredibly fast and good too.

Compared to Finaleforum.com the two Facebook groups are extremely active with each about 10-15 new threads per day plus many answers.
And that with far less users: Finaleforum.com has 8250 members, the Finale Powerusers group only 1500. Music Engraving Tips has about 6200 users.

Of course, I would prefer a professional forum software, but if this is not available at MM I would recommend to switch to Facebook.
I also like on Facebook that you usually see a profile photo for each member, so it feels more personal to me.

Jan


Elbsound.studio


Posted By : johnmouse - 12/2/2016 9:00 AM
Well, this sucks. I PM'd Adam and responded on the sticky. Thanks for the info on the FB page and the other forum.


John

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M-Audio KeyRig 49
Desktop: Windows 8.1/i5 Core/8 Gig RAM
Laptop: Windows 7/i3 Core/6 Gig RAM


Posted By : Ron. - 12/2/2016 9:17 AM
The FB group is not great--it has many drawbacks, but it seems to be the best alternative at present.

One of MakeMusic's strongest assets has been this forum. With it, people frustrated with a complex and, at times arcane, product can get help, often within a few minutes, from people who love Finale and know its ins and outs, sometimes better than MM's support staff do. Without this forum, MM will be just another company with a complicated toy on the market that many people will give up on after running into walls and having no almost-instant help to navigate. I know I would not have persisted some 15 years ago if it weren't for some of the amazingly generous folks here.

Have they not learned from their experience of the last several months of having the new forum available that the older experienced users here are not going to migrate and that people have posted questions there that have been ignored for days? If they move forward they will be replacing a treasure trove with junk.


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Posted By : mm - 12/2/2016 12:15 PM
Motet said...
There is www.finaleforum.com.

Seems like a good Forum site to me, so far not very active, but if everybody from the old, soon to be dead, forum started using it that would change. I've had no problems signing in, only limitation is that attachments have to be zipped with a maximum size of 100kb. It's quite well organized in terms of categories and it appears to be run by two very competent moderators, who've both been very helpful and knowledgeable on the Forum here (Peter Thomsen and what seems to be Mike Rosen).
Facebook isn't an acceptable solution for many, I think (and certainly not for me).


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Posted By : Derrek - 12/2/2016 12:40 PM
Why MM chose Zendek is beyond me. The Steinberg/Dorico BBS software is similar to this in terms of Table of Contents info and the ability to attach files. Steinberg doesn't seem to have any difficulties with it. One would think this database of Finale info could have been migrated to the BBS software used by Steinberg with little difficulty.


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Posted By : mm - 12/2/2016 12:58 PM
Exactly. The Steinberg Forum is very good and, as it was pointed out somewhere in this or some other thread, there are ways to simply migrate the whole old Forum to a new site. This Zendek site is laughable, totally useless and, as on can see, basically ignored.


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Posted By : Flint - 12/2/2016 1:44 PM
Evidence that management has no idea how their product is actually used.


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If the composer says in effect to the performer: "I do not care whether you perform my music or not," we cannot argue the matter. But if he indicates: "I want you to perform and respond to this music," then his fundamental duty is to write his music so that it is accessible to interpretation. When the performer cannot approach the composer's meaning because of capriciously obscure notation, he may in effect say to the composer: "Why should I bother to puzzle out your music?" - Gardner Read
 


Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 2:15 PM
The downside for MakeMusic in having users going to an off-site forum is that it means they won't be visiting the MakeMusic website as frequently. I am not sure they realize the danger in sending users away, in terms of future developments and sales of the product. I may be wrong.

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
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Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 12/2/2016 2:15 PM
Flint said...
Evidence that management has no idea how their product is actually used.


One would think people like Mark Adler would point out the usefulness not only to Make Music, but the user base in general that is the old soon to be discontinued forum?


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Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.5.0, Write Score Sound Sets, TMT Publisher Bundle Plugins, Bob Zawalich plugins, Dolet 6.6
Print Music 2004, 2010a, 2011a, 2014a
Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3, Notion 4, Notion 5 (Notion 5 not really any better than 4, [Notion 6 (bought but not installed)]
Pro Tools 9.5, Reaper
Kontakt 5
GPO4, GPO5, World Instruments
SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro, PhotoScore Ultimate 6 & 7 & 8.04 ( 7 has some utility----best of those available, 8 has some issues that need fixing)
M-Audio "Oxygen 25" Midi input keyboard (recent addition 2014)
Systems (5) // Windows XP Pro (32bit), [email protected] Windows 7 Pro, 8.1 Pro, Windows 10 64 bit, 4GB - 16GB RAM
Paper & Pencil

BMus, MM (Musicology)


Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 2:20 PM
Maybe they're 'draining the swamp". We old alligators or endangered.

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : bvstudios - 12/2/2016 4:15 PM
It's a faint hope, but I have sent an email (PM) to the OP of the post over there. Perhaps if there was a flood of impassioned pleas to keep this place open and viable, the winds might change? Personally, I tend to be pessimistic about it, but you never know.

It might be worth a shot.


K M Frye




Finale 2014.5, PM 2011, 2010, 2007, 2005, 2003, 2000

GPO4, WORLD, JABB3

M-Audio, Boss JS8, Roland VSC-55 Sound Canvas, Rhodes 660 workstation, Roland MC-50 composer (yeh- it's old, but it works if you can find the floppies), Reaper 4.32
Windows 7


Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 6:10 PM
As nice as it is to share our disappointment here, it appears the powers that be are set in there ways. I would rather they spend time fixing bugs. In checking out Finale 25, I find many of the long standing bugs still there, and even new ones to boot.

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 7:53 PM
I just got confirmation that on the new forum, a user cannot delete his/her own post. So, if you post something and then decide you made a mistake, you can delete the contents and leave it blank, but cannot delete the post. That is silly and shortsighted, in my opinion. Maybe there is a reason for that behavior, but not one I can imagine.

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : OCTO. - 12/2/2016 10:49 PM
This is ridiculous. There are numerous companies that offer transferring from one to another forum web application, including private messages, hashed login passwords, attachments...
And there are many very good forum web applications with amazing features. WHY WAS NOT THAT AN OPTION, ADAM?
Zendesk feels like ....twitter.
I think MM wants to get rid of "illegal users", that is fine, but that doesn't solve anything.




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Post Edited (OCTO.) : 12/2/2016 9:38:44 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Ron. - 12/2/2016 11:45 PM
OCTO. said...
....
I think MM wants to get rid of "illegal users", that is fine, but that doesn't solve anything.


What "illegal users" and how does getting rid of this forum help get rid of them? The last time we had a user here admit he was using a bootleg version was more than 10 years ago and he was driven out of the forum.


Finale 25.1

GPO5, JaBB3, GIO, COMB2, GWI, GIFF, Steinway Basic.

Windows 7; 10 GB RAM.

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Posted By : OCTO. - 12/3/2016 12:49 AM
Illegal users that use pirated software I mean. Now you can't participate at Zendesk help if not logged in via Make music account.




Finale 2014.5 • OS X: Yosemite, MPB 15', 16GB RAM


Posted By : Zuill - 12/3/2016 1:15 AM
Can't you create an account without purchasing anything?

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : OCTO. - 12/3/2016 3:26 AM
I don't know. I have already my account.




Finale 2014.5 • OS X: Yosemite, MPB 15', 16GB RAM


Posted By : Dave Lang - 12/3/2016 4:35 AM
modern capitalism - no pride in craft, no vision, just arrogance and short sighted striving for money


MacBook Pro Retina 15" (late 2013), OSX 10.11.6, Finale 2014.5, Finale 25

Post Edited (Dave Lang) : 12/3/2016 2:45:53 AM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Ron. - 12/3/2016 8:45 AM
Zuill said...
Can't you create an account without purchasing anything?

Zuill


I did. I have an account under a fake name. Just to show it can be done.


Finale 25.1

GPO5, JaBB3, GIO, COMB2, GWI, GIFF, Steinway Basic.

Windows 7; 10 GB RAM.

www.composeforums.com


Posted By : Knut - 12/3/2016 9:23 AM
Dave Lang said...
modern capitalism - no pride in craft, no vision, just arrogance and short sighted striving for money


…or merely capitalism by it's very nature. I mean, why would anyone strive for excellence to make money if they didn't have to? And if they did, capitalism certainly has nothing to do with it. Seems to me that most of us are still going to pay for future Finale upgrades, which in turn gives MM little reason to change their ways.

Those of us content with the development of Dorico might have an alternative in the relatively short term, but by the looks of it, this does not include many of the long term Finale users on this board.

I must say, though, that whatever you may think of Dorico, their customer treatment is pretty exceptional, and a total opposite of MMs conduct. The development team is highly active on the official forum, helping costumers solve their problems directly. And the list of issues and bugs fixed in the recently released update is very impressive, compared to your average Finale upgrade.

With all that said, I have no doubt that if MM turns a blind eye to their customer's wishes and doesn't learn from the successful conduct of their competitors, it will inevitably mean their demise in the long term.


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Post Edited (Knut) : 12/3/2016 10:04:11 AM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Derrek - 12/3/2016 12:16 PM
Ron. said...
Zuill said...
Can't you create an account without purchasing anything?

Zuill


I did. I have an account under a fake name. Just to show it can be done.

I am not surprised. How would MM attract prospective purchasers if they didn't allow folks who were considering a purchase to ask questions and monitor discussions?


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GPO 5, JABB 3, World Instruments
TG Tools Full, (Sonar Platinum, Dorico)

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Posted By : Derrek - 12/3/2016 12:21 PM
Dave Lang said...
modern capitalism - no pride in craft, no vision, just arrogance and short sighted striving for money

I make a distinction between a decision I think is wrong on MM's part and ascribing malicious or anti-customer intent or a broad-brush swipe at "capitalism." Please!
Knut said...
I must say, though, that whatever you may think of Dorico, their customer treatment is pretty exceptional...

Yes, Dorico's Forum is exceptional.


Finale 2014.5, Finale 25.1 - Windows 7 (64-bit)
GPO 5, JABB 3, World Instruments
TG Tools Full, (Sonar Platinum, Dorico)

“Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” — Groucho Marx


Posted By : David Ward - 12/3/2016 1:00 PM
Derrek said...
Dave Lang said...
modern capitalism - no pride in craft, no vision, just arrogance and short sighted striving for money
I make a distinction between a decision I think is wrong on MM's part and ascribing malicious or anti-customer intent or a broad-brush swipe at "capitalism." Please!
I would agree that one shouldn't ascribe foolishness and lack of appreciation (of value as opposed to cost &c) to -isms whether of the capital, social or any other variety. But foolish it certainly does appear to be for MM to abandon such a widely used and appreciated forum; unless, that is, they can both come up with a much more compelling reason than has so far been given, and also provide a hugely more effective and *liked* alternative than they are currently offering.

Sorry, that reads as rather pompous; but you'll get the gist…


David Ward
www.composers-uk.com/davidward

Finale 2014d & 2014.5 with Mac 10.9.5 & 10.11.6
Finale 2010b with Mac 10.6.8
full TGTools

Since 2001 have used F 2001, 2003, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2014

“We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.” JFK


Posted By : Knut - 12/3/2016 1:02 PM
Derrek said...
Dave Lang said...
modern capitalism - no pride in craft, no vision, just arrogance and short sighted striving for money

I make a distinction between a decision I think is wrong on MM's part and ascribing malicious or anti-customer intent or a broad-brush swipe at "capitalism." Please!


Considering how the world seems to work nowadays, or perhaps how it's actually always been, I have no trouble understanding Dave's outburst of frustration, however oversimplified it may have been. MM has given us more than one reason in later years to doubt their sincerity with regard to quality and customer service, and I don't think the reaction was solely directed at the decision to close these boards.

I do recognize, however, that this is hardly the place for political discussion, and my replies are not an attempt at such.


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OSX 10.9.5, Finale 2011c and 2014b (not using it yet) w/GPO & JABB, Patterson Plug-Ins, TG-Tools and QuickKeys 4; Sibelius 6, Logic Pro X, Adobe CS3, FontLab Studio 4, FontExplorer X Pro 3


Posted By : bvstudios - 12/3/2016 3:07 PM
It's rathr telling to me that since I posted what amounts to a rant on the soon-to-be-only-official forum, there has not been a single response, positive or negative, to my words.

When that is compared to the reaction here and on the Mac side, it has to say something about the "new" forum.


K M Frye




Finale 2014.5, PM 2011, 2010, 2007, 2005, 2003, 2000

GPO4, WORLD, JABB3

M-Audio, Boss JS8, Roland VSC-55 Sound Canvas, Rhodes 660 workstation, Roland MC-50 composer (yeh- it's old, but it works if you can find the floppies), Reaper 4.32
Windows 7


Posted By : Ralph L. Bowers Jr. - 12/3/2016 4:43 PM
bvstudios said...
It's rathr telling to me that since I posted what amounts to a rant on the soon-to-be-only-official forum, there has not been a single response, positive or negative, to my words.

When that is compared to the reaction here and on the Mac side, it has to say something about the "new" forum.



What it tells you is that people like Adam do not fully appreciate that the new forum is substandard and lacks the necessary abilities to replace this current forum.

Also that a good quality help forum that are user community based with oversight by GOOD administrators is the best use of limited resources by companies such as Make Music.


Finale 2010b, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, Version 25.1; TGTools Pro, Patterson plugins, JW plugins (current for each Finale Instalation)
Sibelius 6.2, 7.1.3, 7.5.1, 8.5.0, Write Score Sound Sets, TMT Publisher Bundle Plugins, Bob Zawalich plugins, Dolet 6.6
Print Music 2004, 2010a, 2011a, 2014a
Progression, Progression 2, Progression 3, Notion 4, Notion 5 (Notion 5 not really any better than 4, [Notion 6 (bought but not installed)]
Pro Tools 9.5, Reaper
Kontakt 5
GPO4, GPO5, World Instruments
SmartScore X Pro, SmartScore X2 Pro, PhotoScore Ultimate 6 & 7 & 8.04 ( 7 has some utility----best of those available, 8 has some issues that need fixing)
M-Audio "Oxygen 25" Midi input keyboard (recent addition 2014)
Systems (5) // Windows XP Pro (32bit), [email protected] Windows 7 Pro, 8.1 Pro, Windows 10 64 bit, 4GB - 16GB RAM
Paper & Pencil

BMus, MM (Musicology)


Posted By : petey forrest - 12/3/2016 5:27 PM
Wow. Just checked that new forum. Man oh man, that's like taking away the Finale software for your scoring and being given a crayon to do your scores!!

Petey