The original version of this page can be found at : http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=487924
Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/3/2016 1:24 AM
I am using 2012 and was thinking about upgrading to the newest version of Finale, but with everything that I'm reading about it I was thinking that maybe I should hold off.

Agree or Disagree?

Thanks,


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : Peter Thomsen - 11/3/2016 1:42 AM
Are you still on Mac OS X 10.9 - as your signature says?

If you are on Mac OS X 10.12 Sierra (or planning to get there), then you might like to wait for Finale v25.2 - read this thread:
forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=487816

Peter


Mac Finale, 2012c, 2014d & 2014.5, Dolet 6.6 plug-in, Mac OS X 10.11.6, iMac Intel Core i7, 2.93 GHz, 16 GB RAM


Posted By : Dr. Wiggy - 11/3/2016 1:56 AM
John Iafrate said...
but with everything that I'm reading about it I was thinking that maybe I should hold off.

Have you read what they said about 2012? :p

You can download the demo and see how it works for you, without affecting 2012. Many people find that 25.1 fixes many bugs in the program and runs better on newer OS versions.


Finale v.25, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6)
Edirol FA-66; Roland A-49, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
Ancient Groove Music www.ancientgroove.co.uk


Posted By : N. Grossingink - 11/3/2016 6:16 AM
Finale 2014 introduced the ability to save back to 2012. I don't know if this is available in v25, but it might be nice to have that back door if needed. Otherwise, most that use v25 seem to be happy with it. However, it's still perplexing that some other users have experienced problems.

N.


OSX El Capitan 10.11.6
Finale 2011c, 2012c for production work

Finale 2014.5, not used by my clients

(Finale v25 - not interested yet)

TgTools, Patterson Plugins, JW Change and Staff Polyphony, QuicKeys 4
Mac Mini 2.4 Ghz Intel, 8GB RAM
New Belgium Fat Tire Ale


Posted By : michelp - 11/3/2016 7:07 AM
N. Grossingink said...
Finale 2014 introduced the ability to save back to 2012. I don't know if this is available in v25, but it might be nice to have that back door if needed.

It is still present in v25 and v25.1.


Michel
Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2012c (main), MacOsX 10.11.6, Mac Mini Intel i7 2,7 Ghz, 16 Go Ram, French azerty kb, Dolet 6. Full TGTools. MOTU Audio Express.


Posted By : Mike Rosen - 11/3/2016 9:23 AM
John,
How dependent are you on Jari's plugins? Currently, only a few of them are available for F25. Personally, I'm waiting for the full package.



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer copyist (The Gang of Twelve) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2014.5 on El Capitan
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard, numberpad. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."


Posted By : Vaughan - 11/3/2016 10:07 AM
I don't believe any of them is available for Mac yet. If I need to use one of his plugins, I have to take the extra step of loading the file in 2014.5 first.


Vaughan

Finale 3.2 - 25, Sibelius 4 - 7
Patterson's plugins, Tobias' plugins, full version, waiting for Jari's plugin update
MacOS 10.12
MacPro (2016) 16 GB, MacBookPro (2011) 8 GB

Amsterdam


Posted By : Mike Rosen - 11/3/2016 11:15 AM
Vaughan, I believe that a few are available in beta. But I may have misread, of course...



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer copyist (The Gang of Twelve) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2014.5 on El Capitan
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard, numberpad. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."


Posted By : Vaughan - 11/3/2016 12:40 PM
I'll be glad if that's so! The last time I looked there were several for windows but none for Mac.


Vaughan

Finale 3.2 - 25, Sibelius 4 - 7
Patterson's plugins, Tobias' plugins, full version, waiting for Jari's plugin update
MacOS 10.12
MacPro (2016) 16 GB, MacBookPro (2011) 8 GB

Amsterdam


Posted By : Mike Rosen - 11/3/2016 3:01 PM
Probably my mistake, then. Sorry.



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer copyist (The Gang of Twelve) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2014.5 on El Capitan
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard, numberpad. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."


Posted By : Zuill - 11/3/2016 3:53 PM
I believe TGTools has a beta version for Mac. Looks like JW plugin betas are only for Windows.

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5 
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : Charles Lawrence - 11/3/2016 4:44 PM
Vaughan said...
I'll be glad if that's so! The last time I looked there were several for windows but none for Mac.

"Several" now equals 17 for Windows.


"Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!"

Windows 10 Professional (x64) (build 10586)
 
3.50 gigahertz Intel Core i7-5930K, Multi-core (6 total), Hyper-threaded (12 total)
32638 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory, 17514.37 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 - 4GB [Display adapter]
ASUS Rampage V Extreme motherboard, Realtek HD Audio

Finale 2014.5.6359, Finale 25.1.0.182
Garritan GPO4.02


Cakewalk SONAR X3 - (X3e build 244) - x64, Sound Forge Audio Studio 10.0, Audacity 2.1.0
Sharpeye 2.68, PhotoScore Ultimate 7.0.2, SmartScore X2 Pro 10.5.8

"There is a world of difference between a person who has a big problem and a person who makes a problem big." – John Maxwell


Posted By : MikeHalloran - 11/4/2016 4:23 PM
Vaughan said...
I don't believe any of them is available for Mac yet. If I need to use one of his plugins, I have to take the extra step of loading the file in 2014.5 first.

On the other forum, a user asked for functionality found only in the Band-in-a-Box plugin. This is also gone from F25 and there is no replacement.

I used it once in 1998 so I don't miss it but, if you do...


Finale 25, 2014.5, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5
2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12
MOTU Digital Performer 9.12, 9.02, Logic Pro X 10.2.4


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/4/2016 7:23 PM
Peter,
I'm still using 10.9.5. But, I'd like to go up to 10.10 instead of jumping right into Sierra or maybe go up to 10.11 El Capitan.


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/4/2016 7:25 PM
Hey Wiggy,
No I haven't read what they said about 2012. I see you're running El Capitan. Does everything work well on that OS system?


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/4/2016 7:27 PM
Hey Mike,
I do use Jari's plug-ins. With that said maybe I need to hold off?


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/4/2016 7:31 PM
Does anybody know how I can get a version of 10.10.5? My Mac Mini has it on there and when I hook it up to my Mac Pro and put it into recovery and try to upgrade my Mac pro system to 10.10.5 it tells me that it's not available right now try again later but that's been going on for days now and I'm wondering what's going on.


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : MikeHalloran - 11/4/2016 9:36 PM
John Iafrate said...
Does anybody know how I can get a version of 10.10.5? My Mac Mini has it on there and when I hook it up to my Mac Pro and put it into recovery and try to upgrade my Mac pro system to 10.10.5 it tells me that it's not available right now try again later but that's been going on for days now and I'm wondering what's going on.

1. On your Mini or any Mac that has ever run Yosemite, open the App Store and go to Purchased. Download Yosemite but quit the installer when it tries to reinstall.

2. You will find now find the installer in your Applications folder. Compress (zip/archive) the file — this is important.

3. Sneaker net or otherwise move the zipped installer to your Mac Pro (Ethernet, USB stick, SDHD card, Dropbox all work). The file is just under 6G so email is out.

4. Copy the zipped file onto your Mac Pro. Double-click to expand.

5. Run the Installer. Register the update etc.

6. Download the Java 6 runtime from Apple or MakeMusic and install. You will also have to download a Java 8 runtime from Oracle but that has nothing to do with Finale.

To reclaim space, you can now delete the installer and zipped copy from your Mini and Mac Pro. Having registered on your MP, you can always download again per step 1.

Failure to zip the file first will cause it not to run on the second Mac. Unzipping grants the privileges required to run the Installer.


Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2011c, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5
2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12.1
MOTU Digital Performer 9.12, 9.02, Logic Pro X 10.2.4

Post Edited (MikeHalloran) : 11/5/2016 8:51:13 AM (GMT-5)


Posted By : MikeHalloran - 11/4/2016 9:43 PM
John Iafrate said...
Hey Wiggy,
No I haven't read what they said about 2012. I see you're running El Capitan. Does everything work well on that OS system?


2012 and 2011 run in El Cap and even Sierra as long as you (a) download the Java Run Time 6 from Apple or MakeMusic and (b) disable Human Playback.


Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2011c, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5
2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12.1
MOTU Digital Performer 9.12, 9.02, Logic Pro X 10.2.4

Post Edited (MikeHalloran) : 11/4/2016 9:51:52 PM (GMT-5)


Posted By : Mike Rosen - 11/4/2016 10:22 PM
John Iafrate said...
Hey Mike,
I do use Jari's plug-ins. With that said maybe I need to hold off?


I have. But, as has been pointed out, you can work in F25 and go back to 2014.5 to use the plugins.



Mike Rosen
www.specialmillwork.com

Bass with Choir of the Sound www.choirofthesound.org
Volunteer copyist (The Gang of Twelve) for the Barbershop Harmony Society
FINALE TIPS at www.specialmillwork.com/finale-tips-and-tricks/index.html

Finale 2014.5 on El Capitan
Simple Entry, QWERTY keyboard, numberpad. That's my system, and I'm stickin' to it.

"As a musician, he's a damn fine woodworker."


Posted By : MikeHalloran - 11/5/2016 12:38 AM
Mike Rosen said...
John Iafrate said...
Hey Mike,
I do use Jari's plug-ins. With that said maybe I need to hold off?


I have. But, as has been pointed out, you can work in F25 and go back to 2014.5 to use the plugins.
Many of us work in both versions.


Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2011c, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5
2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12.1
MOTU Digital Performer 9.12, 9.02, Logic Pro X 10.2.4


Posted By : Dr. Wiggy - 11/5/2016 3:36 AM
John Iafrate said...
Hey Wiggy,
No I haven't read what they said about 2012. I see you're running El Capitan. Does everything work well on that OS system?

Yes, very well. 25 is considerably faster for most operations: there are many bug fixes and some nice new features. It also uses much less CPU power (though playback is still high), which extends battery life.
I'm running 25 on both El Cap and Sierra. 25.1 fixed most of the issues that still existed on Sierra: 25.2 has been promised for further bug fixes.

You can always try the demo for free, and delete it if you don't like it.

When it first came out, Finale 2012 was criticised as a lack-lustre upgrade, with few new features and "under-the-hood" changes that were transparent to the user. There were some fairly serious new bugs that were fixed in updates that were not as timely as the present schedule.


Finale v.25, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6)
Edirol FA-66; Roland A-49, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
Ancient Groove Music www.ancientgroove.co.uk

Post Edited (Dr. Wiggy) : 11/5/2016 4:08:50 AM (GMT-5)


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/7/2016 8:02 AM
Well, I've purchased 25 and will install later and provide a report. I have to call Apple first. When I installed El Capitan my email wasn't working, so I deleted the account and tried to reinstall the account. No luck.


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : michelp - 11/7/2016 11:36 AM
John Iafrate said...
Does anybody know how I can get a version of 10.10.5? My Mac Mini has it on there and when I hook it up to my Mac Pro and put it into recovery and try to upgrade my Mac pro system to 10.10.5 it tells me that it's not available right now try again later but that's been going on for days now and I'm wondering what's going on.

/support.apple.com/en_US/downloads/macos : Click on "Load more results" at the bottom and get the Combo version.


Michel
Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2012c (main), MacOsX 10.11.6, Mac Mini Intel i7 2,7 Ghz, 16 Go Ram, French azerty kb, Dolet 6. Full TGTools. MOTU Audio Express.


Posted By : Mike Halloran - 11/7/2016 2:05 PM
michelp said...
John Iafrate said...
Does anybody know how I can get a version of 10.10.5? My Mac Mini has it on there and when I hook it up to my Mac Pro and put it into recovery and try to upgrade my Mac pro system to 10.10.5 it tells me that it's not available right now try again later but that's been going on for days now and I'm wondering what's going on.

/support.apple.com/en_US/downloads/macos : Click on "Load more results" at the bottom and get the Combo version.


Nope.

That only gives you the combo updaters. If you do not already have Yosemite installed, those will not work.

My earlier instructions are the ones that will.


Mike Halloran

Finale 25.1 & 2014.5, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.0.7
2010 iMac 2.93G i7 Quad w/ OWC eSATA mod, 20G RAM, OS 10.12.1, 2T SSD
DP 9.1, 8.07, 7.24, Logic Pro X 10.2.4, DSP-Quattro, PSP, IK, NI, Eventide, Izotope & Antares plugins
G4 running OS 10.4.11 & 9.2 with legacy apps


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/7/2016 3:33 PM
Well, I've skipped Yosemite and installed the latest version of El Capitan. I have also installed Finale 25. I have a question about the default page though. Should I design one from scratch or can I export the one I use in 2012 as an MXL file and then bring it in to 25 and save it as my Maestro font default?


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : N. Grossingink - 11/7/2016 3:36 PM
Just open the 2012 file in v25, save, and use that as the new default file.

N.


OSX El Capitan 10.11.6
Finale 2011c, 2012c for production work

Finale 2014.5, not used by my clients

(Finale v25 - not interested yet)

TgTools, Patterson Plugins, JW Change and Staff Polyphony, QuicKeys 4
Mac Mini 2.4 Ghz Intel, 8GB RAM
New Belgium Fat Tire Ale


Posted By : Dr. Wiggy - 11/7/2016 3:48 PM
John Iafrate said...
Well, I've skipped Yosemite and installed the latest version of El Capitan. I have also installed Finale 25. I have a question about the default page though. Should I design one from scratch or can I export the one I use in 2012 as an MXL file and then bring it in to 25 and save it as my Maestro font default?

I would save the data as a Library, and import it into the .musx Maestro Default, rather than going XML. I'm not sure that XML saves document options. (In fact, XML and MIDI files use the default file as a basis.)

Then save it as your default file (setting its name in Finale Preferences); and also in your Document Styles folder, for use in Setup Wizard.


Finale v.25.1, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6 / 10.12.1)
Edirol FA-66; Roland A-49, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
Ancient Groove Music www.ancientgroove.co.uk


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/7/2016 8:50 PM
N.,
Finale never recognized it as the Maestro Font Default file.


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/7/2016 9:02 PM
Wiggy,
I opened the 2012 Maestro Font Default file in 25 and saved it as a library but it wasn't recognized as the default file either. As a matter of fact 25 said that the default file could not be located and told me it would create a file without any libraries loaded and that I should reinstall the default file.Here's the window. I've tried reinstalling again but there's no Maestro Font Default file to be found. So, I deleted the Maestro Font Default file that was there and tried again nut no Maestro Font default page is in the default files folder.


John
**********
Finale 2011c, 2012c
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/9/2016 11:50 PM
A new account fixed everything!


John
**********
Finale 2012c Finale 25.1
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9, 10.11.6


Posted By : Dr. Wiggy - 11/10/2016 1:57 AM
John Iafrate said...
A new account fixed everything!

Then you know the problem was something inside your User Library in the old account. Rather than "slash and burn" to the new account, I would go back to the old account and try to fix the problem. Perhaps copy the entire MakeMusic Finale 25 folder from the new account to the old one.


Finale v.25.1, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6 / 10.12.1)
Edirol FA-66; Roland A-49, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
Ancient Groove Music www.ancientgroove.co.uk

Post Edited (Dr. Wiggy) : 11/10/2016 1:49:08 AM (GMT-6)


Posted By : MikeHalloran - 11/10/2016 11:51 AM
Dr. Wiggy said...
John Iafrate said...
A new account fixed everything!

Then you know the problem was something inside your User Library in the old account. Rather than "slash and burn" to the new account, I would go back to the old account and try to fix the problem. Perhaps copy the entire MakeMusic Finale 25 folder from the new account to the old one.
If you're a long time Finale user, there's a lot of old, unnecessary crap in your user account. Same with many other applications.

Find and purge is one way. Biting the bullet and doing a clean and install is the other way.

I did a clean job install two years ago — my first in over 20 years. Cleaned out 200G of PPC crap. It was a good thing for me but I hope never to do another.


Finale 25.1, 2014.5, 2011c, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.07, GPO 5
2010 iMac i7, 32G RAM, 2T SSD, Late 2013 MacBook Air, OS 10.12.1
MOTU Digital Performer 9.12, 9.02, Logic Pro X 10.2.4


Posted By : Dr. Wiggy - 11/10/2016 12:26 PM
MikeHalloran said...
Cleaned out 200G of PPC crap. It was a good thing for me but I hope never to do another.

200 Gigs of PPC apps? That must have been all of them! :p

I've not done a clean install since about 2003 probably. My current MBP system disk is a clone of one from my 2009 MacBook, which was migrated from my 2006 iMac, which was migrated from my G3 iBook. Every new OS has been updated over the existing installation. There's almost certainly some "cruft" from 10.2, and all points in between, on my 10.12 disk. But I don't think it amounts to much.


Finale v.25.1, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6 / 10.12.1)
Edirol FA-66; Roland A-49, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
Ancient Groove Music www.ancientgroove.co.uk


Posted By : Mike Halloran - 11/10/2016 2:46 PM
Dr. Wiggy said...
MikeHalloran said...
Cleaned out 200G of PPC crap. It was a good thing for me but I hope never to do another.

200 Gigs of PPC apps? That must have been all of them! :p

I've not done a clean install since about 2003 probably. My current MBP system disk is a clone of one from my 2009 MacBook, which was migrated from my 2006 iMac, which was migrated from my G3 iBook. Every new OS has been updated over the existing installation. There's almost certainly some "cruft" from 10.2, and all points in between, on my 10.12 disk. But I don't think it amounts to much.


I had a lot of old apps and junk going back to my Mac+. Now that I recall, I had done a clean install on my Performa 6200 so it must have been further back than I remembered.

I don't believe in clean installs but a major bug in OS 10.9.4 (fixed in 10.9.5) forced the issue. My system does run better but it took me three days to rebuild from scratch. Thank goodness for Time Machine—I was able to copy all of my files from the backup.

At that time, I moved a lot of ancient history over to a G4 I set up to boot into 9.22 and 10.4.11. With a 30 year back catalog, I still have occasions to go back to old files and update them.


Mike Halloran

Finale 25.1 & 2014.5, SmartScore X Pro II, Encore 5.0.7
2010 iMac 2.93G i7 Quad w/ OWC eSATA mod, 20G RAM, OS 10.12.1, 2T SSD
DP 9.1, 8.07, 7.24, Logic Pro X 10.2.4, DSP-Quattro, PSP, IK, NI, Eventide, Izotope & Antares plugins
G4 running OS 10.4.11 & 9.2 with legacy apps


Posted By : BvdPress - 11/11/2016 7:44 AM
Disregarding what system you are on, I find an update to 25 necessary if you use playback. If not, I would just stick where you are.

25 feels slightly peppier than previous versions, but not enough to really plunk down the money.

But I have no complaints about 25. It works as expected.


Bryan Doughty
BVD Press, Music Express, BrassWorks4, Timber Ridge Music,
Kiwi Press, Serendipity Press and Cimarron Music Press
[email protected]
http://www.cimarronmusic.com/


Posted By : John Iafrate - 11/11/2016 9:02 AM
Wiggy,
I agree with you and think that's a good idea.


John
**********
Finale 2012c Finale 25.1
Mac Pro 3.2 - 16GB(Ram) OSX 10.8.5, 10.9, 10.11.6


Posted By : ephraim - 11/13/2016 10:28 PM
I have been using F25 for about 2 months now. I note that many are content with this version but I find myself getting annoyed with the lag when using Special tools and some other speed issues especially in page view. Some operations require a 3 to 5 second delay, even nudging notes with the arrow keys. I find that working with a single page in page view helps somewhat. Is there a fix for this I don't know about? Is F25.1 better? I'm using El Capitain on a just purchased iMac i7 with 8 gigs of ram and a flash drive.


MusicScribe Engraving and Richard Johnson Editions

Finale 2011, TGTools, Patterson Plugins, Quickeys, Logic Studio 8, FontLab Studio, Acrobat X Pro
OS X 10.6.8
iMac 3.06 Core 2 Duo/4GB ram
MacBook Pro 13"


Posted By : Dr. Wiggy - 11/14/2016 2:00 AM
ephraim said...
Some operations require a 3 to 5 second delay, Is F25.1 better?

Not seen any delay of that length. Report it to MM. Perhaps there's something particular to your setup.

25.1 is a bug fix upgrade to 25, so yes, you should definitely apply the upgrade.


Finale v.25.1, 2012 MacMini; 2012 MacBook Pro (10.11.6 / 10.12.1)
Edirol FA-66; Roland A-49, HP Laserjet 5200 DTN
Ancient Groove Music www.ancientgroove.co.uk