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Posted By : Motet - 12/1/2016 1:57 PM
In case you missed the sticky thread above.

forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=489236

Discuss.


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Posted By : Bill Stevens - 12/1/2016 7:49 PM
Ugh.

I'm old so I don't know anything about those other places -- Faceplate, Twister, and such.

I sure will miss sharing ideas with my pals here and hope that some other site will emerge as the go-to spot.

Bill


Finale 2014.5 (all versions since 1.0)
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Posted By : jim dukey - 12/1/2016 9:57 PM
You can VOTE for the Posts!
One has -1 Votes.
WTF?


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Posted By : Andrew Emmet - 12/1/2016 11:35 PM
This forum is so helpful!
What an incredibly silly decision!
Why?


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Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 2:03 AM
It is probably a gamble to increase sales (tongue in cheek, obviously).

Zuill


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Posted By : Writer of Music - 12/2/2016 7:04 AM
Oh well, this simple means that each and every customer will have to contact MakeMusic support for even the simplest of questions. Do they have the capacity for what lies ahead?


Finale 25.
Mac OS X 10.11.6.


Posted By : David Ward - 12/2/2016 7:28 AM
The charming Mike Rosen & the ever-helpful Peter Thomsen are moderators and contributors on www.finaleforum.com/ so perhaps there is hope for something both useful and congenial independent of MM.


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Posted By : gogreen - 12/2/2016 10:31 AM
David Ward said...
The charming Mike Rosen & the ever-helpful Peter Thomsen are moderators and contributors on www.finaleforum.com/ so perhaps there is hope for something both useful and congenial independent of MM.

I hope you're right. I signed up yesterday. Any other suggestions?


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Posted By : Shnootre - 12/2/2016 10:54 AM
I'll try it over at the new place, but this seems like a weird slap in the face to this community - which consists of some of Finale's most long-term users...


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Posted By : jdpmus - 12/2/2016 12:24 PM
Add me to the list of the disgruntled. What a stupid idea!


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Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 1:57 PM
Many drawbacks to the new Finale forum:

No signature, so one has to enter user info every time.
No way to delete a post.
No way to attach an actual file. I'm leery of links and the potential for issues.
Hard on the eyes.

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : OCTO. - 12/2/2016 2:42 PM
SAD STORY.

We can move to finaleforum.com and notat.io for engraving questions.
What i disoike about the Facebook groups is that there are to many opinions, sometimes false, hard to search for any topic, file uploads, signatures....
I will make now an account at finaleforum.com and say goodbye to all MM soup.




Finale 2014.5 • OS X: Yosemite, MPB 15', 16GB RAM


Posted By : Motet - 12/2/2016 3:14 PM
Zuill said...
Many drawbacks to the new Finale forum:

No signature, so one has to enter user info every time.
No way to delete a post.
No way to attach an actual file. I'm leery of links and the potential for issues.
Hard on the eyes.

Zuill

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it doesn't remember what one has already read. That's probably OK for the drive-by user with a single question, who can "subscribe" to the responses by email, but is a huge drawback for those visiting regularly.

Also, is such subscription automatic? I posted a few things there at the beginning and then got bombarded with email until I figured out how to turn off the subscriptions (one at a time, by the way). I have avoided it ever since.


Finale 2014.5, 2011b, 2005, TGTools
Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart


Posted By : Motet - 12/2/2016 4:13 PM
Also, lack of anonymity. Not sure if that's good or bad, but it's different.


Finale 2014.5, 2011b, 2005, TGTools
Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart


Posted By : bvstudios - 12/2/2016 4:18 PM
How about a write-in campaign? The OP over at the other Forum could easily receive a bunch of passionate emails asking him to re-think the decision.

Probably wouldn't work, but you never know?


I sent him one already... Anyone else feel up to defending our little corner of the web?


K M Frye




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Posted By : CV186 - 12/2/2016 5:44 PM
The other massive problem with the new forum is that there's nowhere to enter your System or Finale version information, or which variant of which platform you're using. If anybody bothers to answer (which doesn't seem to happen very often) the first handful of questions will probably need answers to those questions first.


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Posted By : Motet - 12/2/2016 6:50 PM
I say the number one problem is remembering what you've read--am I right that it doesn't do that? I guess one could write down when they were there last and look at the dates of the new postings, but that seems hokey.


Finale 2014.5, 2011b, 2005, TGTools
Windows 7, MIDI input
Finale Transposition Chart


Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 7:14 PM
The new format is awkward and limited. What's interesting is that they gave us a month before shutting this forum down. What would the motivation for that be?

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : Vaughan - 12/2/2016 7:41 PM
Out of the goodness of their corporate heart?


Vaughan

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Posted By : Zuill - 12/2/2016 7:54 PM
Ah. The Christmas season. A gift. Who would have thunk?

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
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Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : Mike Rosen - 12/2/2016 8:00 PM
More like a goodbye gift, if I read the temper of the forum correctly...



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Posted By : OCTO. - 12/2/2016 10:45 PM
This is ridiculous. There are numerous companies that offer transferring from one to another forum web application, including private messages, hashed login passwords, attachments...
And there are many very good forum web applications with amazing features. WHY WAS NOT THAT AN OPTION, ADAM?
Zendesk feels like ....twitter.
I think MM wants to get rid of "illegal users", that is fine, but that doesn't solve anything.




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Post Edited (OCTO.) : 12/2/2016 9:39:36 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Hector Pascal - 12/3/2016 5:53 AM
I hope Make Music reconsiders their decision to close this forum at the end of the month. If they do close it, I think it will be a great loss, and one that may never be regained, despite the good intentions of other forums. I have had a look at the new Help Centre, but I am not very impressed with the layout/readability of it, and it seems to me that its members don't visit often, and questions are not getting the same volume of replies as we have grown accustomed to on this forum here. A question posted 4 days ago on the Help Centre is still unanswered by anyone. That doesn't instil much confidence. I think we should keep this forum and stop trying to re-invent the wheel!

This forum has been so helpful to me over the years, especially when I have a deadline. An answer (or ten) is always forthcoming from somewhere in the world and usually within 5 minutes. This is my first port of call because a reply to a support ticket, whilst generally useful & appreciated, might take a whole day or overnight to come through.

Also, this forum (and its established community) is one of the main reasons why I remain loyal to Finale as my notation product of choice. This forum makes it easier for me to use the complex Finale product. I consider it to be one of the selling points of Finale, one of its most useful features. So, I really hope Make Music keeps this forum alive.

Cheers,
Hector Pascal.

Posted By : NickG - 12/3/2016 10:43 AM
A Forum is more than just a helpful tool for users of a product. It's a community. We all know what happens when a community is destroyed.


NickG

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Posted By : Juraj Bartos - 12/3/2016 12:55 PM
Bravo to to Hector Pascal!


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Posted By : John Ruggero - 12/4/2016 5:43 PM
Just as Dorico is doing everything it can to foster a growing user community, MakeMusic is in the process of destroying its own. Could this mark the beginning of the end for Finale? I really hope not.


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Post Edited (John Ruggero) : 12/4/2016 4:22:31 PM (GMT-6)


Posted By : Zuill - 12/4/2016 5:56 PM
MakeMusic has been making some good changes, so I am anticipating they are planning on a future. One thing that seems going in the right direction is rolling out updates more quickly. I just hope they realize one of the reasons that they even know about what needs fixing is because of these forums. That is scary.

Zuill


"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
 
Win 7 64bit, 2011b, 2012c, 2014d, 2014.5, 25.1
 
Favorite Forum quote: "Please, everybody, IGNORE THE TROLL!"


Posted By : John Ruggero - 12/5/2016 6:08 PM
I just visited the new Help Center to see if it could add a personal information signature to a post. When I attempted to update my profile, several of the fields were locked with an announcement that they were set automatically and containing no further help. After quite a wait on the phone, a MM tech showed me what to do and said that I could create a signature by filing in the personal information field.

When I started to entitle a new post on the new forum to test this, a list of previous posts dropped down and one of then contained a 9/16 thread with three posts also inquiring about the locked fields. There was no response from MM or anyone answering this simple question.

I called MM back and related my experience to a new tech person. He was very polite during my rant and explained that MM maintains a hands-off (and apparently blind) policy regarding their forums. I interpret it differently. MM not only has little interest in user input, it views disinterest as a positive, and will not even lift a finger to promote their own new forum by answering a simple question.

And when I created my test post, no signature appeared.


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Kurzweil Mark 5 with M-Audio Midisport 2 x 2, Adobe InDesign CS4, SmartScore X Pro, JW Plug-ins
www.cantilenapress.com

The better the composer, the better the notation.


Posted By : Vaughan - 12/5/2016 7:25 PM
This is all most disturbing and frustrating. Does MM really believe that they can afford to behave this way toward a longstanding and loyal user base? It doesn't seem as though they have any idea that this community provides a lot of the support they should be providing. I realise that the release of new software may very well bring with it an extra willingness on the part of its makers to help a new and sceptical user base, but if I compare MM's present attitude to the Dorico team's patient and untiring help on their forum, I can easily imagine that Finale's days are numbered. What a tragic way for them to discover how unwise an idea their hands-off policy regarding their forums actually is.


Vaughan

Finale 3.2 - 25.1, Sibelius 4 - 7
Patterson's plugins, Tobias' plugins, full version, waiting for Jari's plugin update
MacOS 10.12
MacPro (2016) 16 GB, MacBookPro (2011) 8 GB

Amsterdam


Posted By : Mike Halloran - 12/5/2016 9:25 PM
John Ruggero said...
I just visited the new Help Center to see if it could add a personal information signature to a post. When I attempted to update my profile, several of the fields were locked with an announcement that they were set automatically and containing no further help. After quite a wait on the phone, a MM tech showed me what to do and said that I could create a signature by filing in the personal information field.

When I started to entitle a new post on the new forum to test this, a list of previous posts dropped down and one of then contained a 9/16 thread with three posts also inquiring about the locked fields. There was no response from MM or anyone answering this simple question.

I called MM back and related my experience to a new tech person. He was very polite during my rant and explained that MM maintains a hands-off (and apparently blind) policy regarding their forums. I interpret it differently. MM not only has little interest in user input, it views disinterest as a positive, and will not even lift a finger to promote their own new forum by answering a simple question.

And when I created my test post, no signature appeared.


You could have been talking to a clueless individual. Tha said, the new forum is terrible.


Mike Halloran

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