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michelp
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| Posted 9/25/2014 7:59 AM (GMT -6) |   | soundartist said...
I wrote in the fingerings using the Text tool, not Articulations.
Don't expect these texts to follow layout changes, in this case the Text tool is the wrong tool...! Articulations (or expressions) is the way to go.
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soundartist
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| Posted 9/25/2014 11:11 AM (GMT -6) | | Understood—thank you. I'll use Articulations for fingering from now on. The most serious problems remains with the Smart Shapes displacement. Other parameters, like articulations and expressions have not been affected by this glitch, at least so far.
Christopher Smith said...Ah. I'm not on 2014, so I wouldn't be able to open the .musx file. But use Articulations or Expressions for fingerings. They will stay attached to the notes (mostly, as I mentioned.) Christopher soundartist said...The 8va regions (entered as Smart Shapes) are in the Finale file attachment which I provided in this thread. The snapshots contain only the fingerings. I wrote in the fingerings using the Text tool, not Articulations. Christopher Smith said...
I looked at the images and I don't see any Smart Shapes (which are a certain class of shapes that are entered with the Smart Shape tool). I also don't see an 8va marking (which could be a Smart Shape, an Expression, or an Articulation.)
Are your fingerings entered as Articulations? There is a fairly well-documented bug involving articulations changing place willy-nilly, especially on resized staves. Manual placement in the articulation definition is supposed to make them exempt from this bug, and in Finale's defaults the fingerings have only manual placement. A redraw (cmd-D) is supposed to show you where the articulations really are, as clicking them won't necessarily do it. | | Back to Top | |
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soundartist
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| Posted 9/25/2014 11:14 AM (GMT -6) | | | I just attached a .mus version of the file. | | Back to Top | |
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soundartist
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| Posted 9/25/2014 2:46 PM (GMT -6) | | i appreciate your input here because this problem is preventing me from delivering a PDF copy of this piece today—deadline. (I'm delivering my handwritten copy. I write most of my material still by hand).
To verify my understanding:
1. I set up a new document altogether, for violin-piano score.
2. I set ITS only for both staves of the piano part, leaving the violin alone.
Yes, I understand that both piano staves cannot have their time signatures changed in a single step—has to be done individually, and this is what I've been doing.
One question: I just want to confirm, that you're saying by NOT switching on independent time sig. of the violin part, I will still be able to have different time signatures for violin and piano simultaneously—is this correct?
Vaughan said...
I still suspect ITS on all staves, especially when trying to export and re-import using XML. Try again what you described above in a new violin-piano document: leave the violin part alone and set both piano staves for ITS. Selecting any one of the staves and changing the time signature will do so only in that one staff. You do have to make the change per staff; you can't, for example, select both piano staves and change their TS in one go, either with the contextual menu or in the TS window. | | Back to Top | |
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Vaughan
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| Posted 9/26/2014 4:32 AM (GMT -6) | | I didn't create a new document. I just changed the violin part to non-independent TS. I then needed to set the TS only of the violin part (the piano wasn't affected) correctly, as Finale had changed it all to 4/4. I did this using the TS tool, clicking on the measure(s), making sure the measure or region is correctly selected, changing the TS, and deselecting Rebar Music (which is in that window).
I haven't ever experimented with pasting or inserting (you should read up on the difference between these functions) music with ITS so I can't vouch for the results, especially when all of the voices have [unnecessarily] been set to be independent. You can better spend the time on your present document.
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soundartist
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| Posted 9/26/2014 8:56 AM (GMT -6) | | Understood. I tried doing what you suggested here. After I switched off Independent Time Signature for the violin, I changed the violin's TS to 9/8 from Finale default 4/4, it did affect the piano part. I will try again.
Also, the violin's TS changes a few times to begin with—it does not remain 9/8 throughout. I'm guessing that I should re-enter all of the time signature changes as written in my original score. As I said, will try your instruction again.
Vaughan said...
I didn't create a new document. I just changed the violin part to non-independent TS. I then needed to set the TS only of the violin part (the piano wasn't affected) correctly, as Finale had changed it all to 4/4. I did this using the TS tool, clicking on the measure(s), making sure the measure or region is correctly selected, changing the TS, and deselecting Rebar Music (which is in that window).
I haven't ever experimented with pasting or inserting (you should read up on the difference between these functions) music with ITS so I can't vouch for the results, especially when all of the voices have [unnecessarily] been set to be independent. You can better spend the time on your present document. | | Back to Top | |
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soundartist
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| Posted 9/26/2014 9:17 AM (GMT -6) | | Tried it again, didn't work. Attached is a PDF of the section where I switched from Finale's 4/4 default to my 9/8. Both the violin and piano parts got affected.
I'm extremely puzzled (and frustrated) because my only problem here has been with incorrect placement of smart shapes—and only two kinds of smart shapes: Hairpins and the Line Tool. They constantly move out of place, but they kick right back into place after just a single click onto them—this means that they remember their proper positions. Other Smart Shapes, like slurs, have never been misplaced—so far. Only those other two—hairpins and straight line. I don't understand what the connection is between smart shapes and ITS—they seem to be totally different areas from each other.
Vaughan said...
I didn't create a new document. I just changed the violin part to non-independent TS. I then needed to set the TS only of the violin part (the piano wasn't affected) correctly, as Finale had changed it all to 4/4. I did this using the TS tool, clicking on the measure(s), making sure the measure or region is correctly selected, changing the TS, and deselecting Rebar Music (which is in that window).
I haven't ever experimented with pasting or inserting (you should read up on the difference between these functions) music with ITS so I can't vouch for the results, especially when all of the voices have [unnecessarily] been set to be independent. You can better spend the time on your present document. Post Edited (soundartist) : 9/26/2014 10:25:12 AM (GMT-5)
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