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Keith B
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| Posted 1/5/2015 5:45 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hello - and a Happy New Year to everyone.
Some years back I got help from someone on the forum about adding instruments to the instrument list. He even went so far as to send me an instrument list that I fed into my version of Finale to give me the transposing Eb tuba and - I think - several other instruments I needed at the time.
I thus learned how to add instruments but the years have passed - going on 75 now... several changes of computer, several upgrades of Finale and at least one pretty horrific hard disk crash. All that knowledge is lost and a search of the forum database didn't cough it up either.
I know that a lot of tuba players (Bb and Eb) read in concert pitch but not many in concert bands in France...
It's easy to fix an transposing Eb tuba just by pulling in an Eb horn (for instance) - changing the name and pushing it into the bass clef. However, it was nice, and satisfying, to be able to build the missing instrument into the list and just pull it in every time I needed it. (Especially for one of the concert bands I do arrangements for: they have an Eb tuba as you'd probably guessed.) It's also useful to have the upper and lower limits of the instrument automatically indicated too.
At the time I also needed Catalan orchestra instruments so building new instruments into the list was even more important.
If anyone out there knows how to do it I'd be glad to hear from them. I'd like to relearn the technique and this time save it to a more reliable support... I'll also be trying to remember how to do it if my old addled brain will give me some clues...
Thanks in advance
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 1/5/2015 9:25 AM (GMT -6) | | Hello again Keith,
Yes that was me back in mid 2012. I sent you a modified Finale.instruments database file with the changes we discussed for your purposes. I will need to know the current version of Finale you are using, hopefully F2014d, and then I can resend you the file via your email, which I still have.
Charles
PS: To anyone contemplating such a move, while it is doable, it is not recommended, particularly if you ever send your Finale documents to any other place for perusal, or want students, for example, to be able to use the added instrument in their work, since the modified database will not be on any other computer, unless you put it there. If this is for your own purposes, that is fine. Also, if Finale is ever updated, the modified database will not be forwarded into the update. It is for these reasons that I do not post such work on this public forum, but only via email.
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 1/5/2015 10:13 AM (GMT -6) | | Subsequent to my working with Keith back in mid 2012 on this subject, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the work of Jolora in a similar project to add instruments to the database.
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Keith B
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| Posted 1/5/2015 10:51 AM (GMT -6) | | Hello Charles! How nice to see you again! A very happy new year to you - and to you all.
In fact you probably remember you taught me how to modify the list for my 2010 version where it was still "readable" and you also sent me the file to change my 2012 version - which I did. I had to reinstall after a major crash so that's when I lost all your good work. Luckily I didn't lose any of the thousands of finale files...
Please do send me the file again: keith@kb-muse.com
Although I don't exchange many finale files with other people and those I do send files to are mostly on version 2010, by sending them as exported MusicXML files they pulled in the Eb tuba by some magic.
If you have the time I'd like to know how you made this file this time around so as I can get into it and translate all the instruments - or add the French names for all the instruments. Obviously it's no trouble for me to have them all in English but I do have to translate them when arranging for a French orchestra.
All the very best
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Motet
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| Posted 1/5/2015 9:26 PM (GMT -6) | | | |
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kvehmane
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| Posted 2/8/2015 6:23 AM (GMT -6) | | | Two famous examples are Haydn "Farewell" symphony and the end of Bizet Carmen. | | Back to Top | |
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Motet
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| Posted 2/8/2015 1:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Ah, Carmen, you're right!
I've got Horn in C alto, B natural alto, B flat alto, A, A flat, G, G flat, F sharp, F, E, E flat, D, D flat, C, B natural, B flat basso, A basso, A flat basso, and G basso. Any others you've seen that I've missed?
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kvehmane
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| Posted 2/9/2015 4:56 AM (GMT -6) | | | Well, I haven't seen ever the high B natural or G basso transpositions. B basso is in Brahms 2nd symphony and A flat basso in Verdi's Otello (but I have read somewhere that there were no actual A flat basso crook, they just faked it...) | | Back to Top | |
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Charles Lawrence
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| Posted 2/9/2015 2:58 PM (GMT -6) | | |
Motet,
I am not here to revive the discussion of whose transposition chart best serves the Finale community. Suffice it to say that my chart showed all possible transpositions (within reason - 5 octaves?), whether or not they were represented by an actual musical instrument, either in modern use or obsolete.
I will add one comment on your chart. It seems to me that since your "Sounding" and "Written" columns are redundant except for whether it is Up or Down, that you could save some real estate by consolidating the information into one column called, for instance, "Sounding/Written" and put something like "Up/Dn octave + m 2nd" for the Db transposition. You could explain the abbreviations used for major (M), minor (m), perfect (P), augmented (a), and diminished (d) in a note at the bottom. Just my 2 cents.
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Motet
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| Posted 2/13/2015 12:03 AM (GMT -6) | | kvehmane, I forget now where G basso came from--some Verdi opera I played, perhaps, or maybe someone's web page. I confess I may have invented H alto myself for symmetry, but I'm pretty sure G basso is something I've seen, though if an Ab basso crook didn't exist, then likely a G basso crook didn't either! Ab basso is in Falstaff--not sure about Otello.
Charles, thanks for the feedback. My chart has the advantage of fitting on one page, and listing the real instruments serves those who may not know which octave Horn in C refers to. I believe I have shown all instruments likely to be encountered these days, but am always open to adding another. It's true that "sounding" and "written" convey redundant information, but this is also a point of confusion and I wanted to make it as clear as possible. Since everything fits, I see no reason to combine the two or to further abbreviate "major" and brethren.
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Motet
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| Posted 2/13/2015 12:32 AM (GMT -6) | | Found this via a web search, by David Sprung of the San Francisco Opera (who was by the way my teacher):
"For those without experience playing opera professionally, Horn in A
and A-flat is always basso in 19th century Italian opera. There is even one
instance where horn in G is basso: Edgardo's aria in "Lucia" the third horn
in G is to be played basso. That baffled me because, although the voicing
of the four horns clearly indicates that the 3rd horn is in G basso, it is
the only instance that I know of where that is so, but the conductor Nello
Santi explained to me that the whole aria was written a half step higher
originally, and later transposed down and published that way, so horn in
A-flat (basso, as usual) became horn in G basso."
I in fact just played Lucia, but in a 2-horn reduction, so did not encounter this 3rd part.
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kvehmane
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| Posted 6/1/2015 3:35 AM (GMT -6) | | | Heckelphone and baritone oboe in parts: treble clef always. | | Back to Top | |
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Motet
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